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4 Reasons Why Disney's Frozen Is Not Worth the Hype

Elsa, Prince Hans, Anna, Kristoff; Frozen, 2013.
Elsa, Prince Hans, Anna, Kristoff; Frozen, 2013. | Source

Although the film was a box office hit as well as the highest-grossing original animated movie of all time($398.4M), Disney's Frozen, has unforgiveable pitfalls that children of this generation cannot truly appreciate.

I could not help but notice all of the shortcomings of the film, and those shortcomings seemed to outshine the positives. Am I too grown up for Disney movies? Or did Frozen simply fall too short for the standards and expectations of those accustomed to the classics?

Of course I cannot help but be biased, considering I grew up in the '90s when Disney was in its prime; however, I am not difficult to please when it comes to anything Walt Disney, but Frozen was the first one that I was content with seeing only once.

The 4 Pivotal Shortcomings of Frozen:

#1: Lack of Background Information

Every Disney movie has a strong introduction that foreshadows the premise of the main plot. It foretells possible obstacles the protagonists might endure, who the protagonist is and why he/she is important, and gives us a summary of who the characters ultimately are (or going to become).

Beauty and the Beast's introduction introduces the prince who is turned into a beast because of his selfishness while also foreshadowing the premise that the spell must be broken by true love before the last petal falls.

The Lion King introduces the concept of the "circle of life" while Mufasa later goes on to tell Simba the ways of the kingdom, and how one day he will be king, too. This concept comes full circle in the end when Simba overcomes his deceitful uncle, Scar, while proceeding to majestically climb Pride Rock. Tangled efficiently ties together 18 years of details within the introduction: how Rapunzel was a princess, how she was stolen and why, and the importance of her hair. Frozen on the other hand, had an introduction that fell extremely short. Although we get some details, they are vague, choppy, and irrelevant for the most part. It fails to answer the most critical aspects that the audience needs answered.

Why is Elsa cursed? Did her parents sell their souls to the devil? Will she go on some crazy journey to find an explanation and perhaps, a cure? Who is Elsa besides being the main character? What makes her so important? Why should we care about her?

Before seeing the film, I thought that Elsa was the main character throughout the whole film, but the film is more about Anna and her juvenile fantasies as opposed to anything relevant and unique.

People seem to care more about recreating the "Elsa" braid, singing songs that don't fit the plot, and Olaf the snowman, than truly remembering (let alone, understanding) what the story was about.

Which one is supposed to be the primary antagonist?

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 Duke of Weselton and his sidekicks; Frozen, 2013.Prince Hans; Frozen, 2013.The pack of wolves; Frozen, 2013
 Duke of Weselton and his sidekicks; Frozen, 2013.
Duke of Weselton and his sidekicks; Frozen, 2013. | Source
Prince Hans; Frozen, 2013.
Prince Hans; Frozen, 2013. | Source
The pack of wolves; Frozen, 2013
The pack of wolves; Frozen, 2013 | Source

#2. It Lacks Character Development

What hurts the credibility of Frozen the most is probably the sheer lack of character development (or relevance for that matter). The trailer is extremely misleading to that fact as well. The title and the trailer adds to the assumption that Elsa is the main character and almost as if she is the antagonist. Whether she is the protagonist or antagonist, the audience is led to believe she will be more epic and involved in the film than it actually turns out.

Who is the protagonist? By making Elsa and Anna somewhat as of equal importance, it fails to provide a primary protagonist from the two. I understand the creators interest in trying to place the importance of sisterhood above romantic relationships, but that idea is not necessarily achieved. The only time that sisterhood seems to be the front-runner in the story line is when Elsa and Anna were children, Anna's quest to bring Elsa home, and the very end when, once again, Anna is sacrificing herself to save Elsa. Although it is clear that Elsa doesn't need or want a "prince charming," we see Anna consistently falling in love at the worst possible times. There really is no ideal notion of "sisterhood" besides the beginning and the end of the film.

  1. Elsa: Here we thought she was going to be some strong, independent, female character when in reality, she spends most of the film locked in her living quarters or sulking alone in her ice-castle. She proves to be just a depressing, cynical, and ultimately, a weak woman who has spent the majority of her youth sulking in her bedroom out of fear to harm the kingdom or Anna. Why didn't she use that time to get her powers under control? Why did the creators not utilize Elsa's potential to be a phenomenal character by using her perseverance in order to go on a quest to find a solution to the curse? Elsa had huge potential to make Frozen an unforgettable tale.
  2. Anna: She appears to be the protagonist. Although naïve and hungry for her "one true love," Anna is the one who ultimately saves the day. It isn't that I don't appreciate Anna's childlike innocence, her sincere actions, and the unconditional love she has for her sister. My problem is that by making her the shining center, she is less appealing to older audiences.
  3. Olaf (see: #4)
  4. Kristoff: Although he is a loveable character, there are just so many gaps in his own storyline to the point where he is almost expendable from the movie completely! Questions as to what happened to his parents, why him and the moose are best buds, why was he raised by trolls--- are all left unanswered.
  5. The Trolls: Why? Why? Why? More pointless than Olaf, the trolls should have never even been included in the plot. Yes, they were important in understanding the curse, but they did nothing but serve as an extra (or dare I say comedic relief) in the movie. Not to mention that the song they sing is the worst of them all.

Aside from who the protagonist should be, another sloppy mishap is that there is absolutely no true villain or antagonist.There are ultimately three different "antagonists" in Frozen: Prince Hans, the Duke of Weselton, and the pack of wolves. Not even all three combined could measure up to the iconic Disney villains such as Scar from the Lion King, Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty, or Jafar from Aladdin (just to name a few).

#3. The Soundtrack

One of the most important aspects to the major success of Disney movies is the soundtrack. Whether catchy or dark, upbeat or slower, the best Disney soundtracks are those that fit with the mood and purpose to the plot. The soundtracks are the 'means to an end' in that they flow with the storyline. For instance, The Lion King opens with "The Circle of Life" which is hands down just am amazing song.

  • Other songs include "I Just Can't Wait to Be King" (foreshadowing future events), "Be Prepared" (again, foreshadowing future events/moving the plot along), etc.

The songs in Frozen are catchy, yes, but they were inconsistent.

  • The majority of the music fails to provide any plot movement.
  • The first half of the film included many songs that lacked a purpose, while the second half of the film was completely lacking in any music up until the finale.

To sum things up, the author of Dr. Bok's Evil Movie Blog stated things perfectly:

  • "Some songs in Frozen are too poppy; definitely at odds with the opening chant in the film. While the chant does give an interesting sound, the succeeding pop tunes tend to diminish it, which is why when we finally hear that chant again when Elsa finally thaws Arendelle, one can’t help but feel that the motif was underdeveloped."
  • "Frozen’s musical numbers are distracting in the sense that it distracts you from the problematic script, and the storyline."

Olaf. Frozen, 2013
Olaf. Frozen, 2013 | Source

#4: Olaf the Insufferable Snowman

Since when was Olaf dubbed the shining star of Frozen? Not only is he just a pointless come-and-go character in the film, he's only a pointless character in order to be reproduced as a plush toy sold in stores all year round. I thought winter was over, but the franchise cannot seem to "let it go."

Ultimately, Olaf serves no purpose to the plot of the film. Although the trailer seemed to highlight him as a major character, Olaf was simply just an Elsa creation from her childhood. His character completely hinders any chance of depth that the plot truly needs. When things seem to get too touchy or too serious, there he is, providing a snappy phrase that is supposed to be funny but fails miserably. What about that solo song of his? Also pointless, and the whining that he's going to end up in the Disney graveyard only makes me wish he would melt and never come back.

Don't get me wrong, Olaf is a loveable character in his own right; but he did not belong in nor truly fit in Frozen like people think he did.

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FlourishAnyway 2 years ago from USA

I liked your analysis. I watched it with young relatives who loved it, especially Olaf. But my reaction was "Meh."


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Sami Hanson 2 years ago from Kansas Author

I think my bias just stems from how amazing the movies from my childhood were compared to the more modern Disney movies. However, I think that Frozen is an alright movie (I was not too good at including the positive aspects of the movie), but I think coming from the 90's era, I can be a bit more critical towards Disney movies that do not live up to my expectations. Thank you for taking the time to comment.


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belleart 2 years ago from Ireland

Great analysis of why this film sucked! I saw it after it came out of cinema's thinking it was going to be fantastic, it was far from it. The songs, and princessy singing was just terrible, the story chaotic at best, but the whole thing was simply unbelievable, as in not believable, rather than just unbelievably rubbish.


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Sara Jane Brown 2 years ago from Independence, Missouri

Yay, I'm thrilled that I wasn't the only one to think this about the film. My kids love it, and that;'s great and all. But there is just so much left to be explained!


Mitsy 23 months ago

BS low - raaiintloty high! Really good answer!


Huresds 23 months ago

Stands back from the keyboard in amnmezeat! Thanks!


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Sara Jane Brown 23 months ago from Independence, Missouri

If I hear "Let It Go" one more time.....


Eriberht 23 months ago

Now I'm like, well duh! Truly thfaknul for your help.


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kladams707 22 months ago from Washington, District of Columbia

I won't argue whether or not it deserves the hype. But I will argue some of your points.

Frozen I would argue has a lot more background information than the Disney 90's movies. Why does Triton hate humans? It has to be more than just because they eat fish, but they never explain this. How did Aladdin get to be on the streets? What happened to Aladdin's his parents (The sequels don't count). I get that he's poor, but how did he get that way? Why are the hyenas not part of the circle of life? Much like Frozen, these details just aren't that important to the story.

Elsa was not cursed. She feels her powers are a curse, but she was born with them (which when taken as a metaphor, many many people can relate to this). We don't need to know anymore as the source of her powers is not the main focus. It would be like trying to explain that the Jedi control the Force because of little microscopic organisms. In addition, Elsa believes control meant repression and practicing her powers could very well put more people in danger. She was after all warned that they would only grow. Going on a quest would further put others in danger while she journeyed to control/"cure" her powers.

As for Kristoff, I thought there were pretty clear hints as to his background. Note that the ice harvesters ignore him and leave him behind. This should tell you that he's either not part of their clan or at the very least, he has no one to care for him. In either case, this is the reason he so readily joins the trolls and why he feels "Reindeer are Better than People."

I disagree that Anna is unappealing to older audiences. Everything else you said about her I agree with.

I dislike the trolls too, but they do provide an interesting nuance that I'll get to in the soundtrack portion.

Songs can also show us the emotional state/state of mind or foreshadow events. Singin' in the Rain titular song doesn't move the plot along at all. It tells us Don Lockwood's emotional state. The majority of songs from that movie don't move the plot along. What Frozen does is take advantage of songs and combine them with animation to show us a character's state of mind or foreshadow events.

Frozen Heart provides foreshadowing of the entire plot: It's overtly referring to Elsa, but it's also referring to someone else. Someone who is also beautiful (handsome), powerful (taking out the leg of a giant snow golem in one swing), dangerous and cold (manipulative and not hesitant to use others to get what he wants).

Do You Want to Build A Snowman: This entire song shows us what Anna and Elsa are going through and their emotional states.

Love is An Open Door: There are a lot of hints about the betrayal. There's the hand gesture upon "I've been searching my whole life to find my own place", which points to Arendelle. Then there's the fact that the two are never completely in sync (Technically they sing "Anna and Anna are meant to be" when the line "You and I..." pops up).

Let it Go is an interesting one that really does take advantage of animation to create conflicting emotional expressions throughout the song. She sounds happy, but really she's working through that "swirling storm inside". She goes through sadness, fear, anger, frustration, resolve, and happiness. There's a really good example as she lets her hair down of the pain she's experiencing: http://tinyurl.com/lvrt86w. She finally accepts her decision, believing this is the way things have to and that she may as well be happy. However, this is also denial, evidenced by her building of Olaf (representing the last time she was truly happy, which was when she was with her sister) as well as the complete undoing of this song by a later one.

Reindeer are Better than People - let's us see that Kristoff isn't that trusting of humans, and I've already explained why earlier.

In Summer: This one introduces us to Olaf, which shows he's really just a child. That makes sense as Elsa created him subconsciously and he was a childhood creation, so of course he would be like a kid (and as annoying as one too if you wish to look at it that way).

For the First Time in Forever Reprise- This one shows us the state of minds of both characters and how their different definitions of love conflict with the others. Anna just wants a close relationship, believing in sharing their lives as a family. Elsa just wants to keep her sister safe and sacrificing their relationship is the only way she knows how to do that. What I really enjoy about this sequence is the localized storm that pops up. To me this shows they have the answer but neither know how to get to it.

Fixer Upper - admittedly the worst song. Poor placement, mood whiplash, etc. However, there is a redeeming quality in that it applies to all the characters. Up until this point, I think the movie does a good job pointing out all the flaws of Ann and Elsa. Overtly, the song is about all of Kristoff's flaws. However, Anna & Elsa have both made "bad decisions when they're mad or scared or stressed". In addition, Hans compared to the rest is pretty perfect and he seems to perfect a match for Anna. However, there is a personality conflict as while both were awkward, Hans seemed quite a bit more confident in his ability to rule. I doubt Anna would have that same confidence, especially when you look at both her introduction to Hans and her intro to Kristoff. So Fixer Upper, while terrible, serves a purpose.

Olaf, the one everyone hates or loves. Olaf serves a purpose. His symbolic point is to represent the strong bond Anna and Elsa still have despite the distance that's grown. However, his biggest accomplishment is bringing Anna back from the brink of despair. Sure you could have Anna have an epiphany, but let's look at her character. She's a naïve woman, sheltered all her life, who thought she fell in love only to have her worldview shattered. Not only these, she thinks she has no hope. It makes more sense to me plot-wise that Anna would need a friend to bring her out of despair and teach her the true meaning of love. Is Olaf unnecessary? Yes, but that doesn't make him unimportant.

That's all I really have to add.


Frozen Lovers Fans Worshippers 13 months ago

We love Frozen a lot, far more than ever so far but we dislike the sisterly drama scene at the coronation all because it can and could easily affect people.


Frozen Lovers/Fans/Worshippers 13 months ago

Time travel should've been included in Frozen back then before all because it'll easily prevent sisterly lonely isolation and separation.


Anna, Glinda and Nessa-rose haters 13 months ago

Man, it's not fair! Elsa never ever even deserve to suffer putting up with that obnoxious, bratty, insufferable brat. Elsa should've gotten more screen-time and been put under the spotlight more too back then before in the first place. Elsa should've remain and been portrayed as a an only single child back then before no matter how lonely it can get so far. Being an only single child for Elsa is far better for her and Elphaba Thropp too. The writers of Frozen deserve to be the the blame for not putting Elsa under the spotlight more, right? Man, it would've been better if both Anna and Nessa-rose were equally portrayed and born unrelated to both Elsa and Elphaba Thropp equally so Elsa should've been born into a fully magical ice pureblood royal family the same way Elphaba Thropp should've been born into a fully green noble family of witches and wizards of the West who were also born with green skin like Elphaba Thropp herself, right? Crossovers between Frozen and Wicked really deserve to exist and happen in canon too, right? Agreed? Disagreed? We like the idea of Elsa and Elphaba Thropp being portrayed as better best friends forever. The whole entire magical world should've been included in Frozen back then before in the first place after the accident/incident with that easily insufferable, bratty Anna.


Frozen, Enchanted and Wicked Fans 13 months ago

Crossovers between Frozen, Wicked and Enchanted deserve to exist and happen in canon all because Nancy Tre-maine, Elphaba Thropp and Elsa were all voiced by Idina Menzel.


Harry Potter Frozen Crossover Lovers/Fans Worshippers 13 months ago

Elsa should've covered her fear with rage, bitterness and anger after she was warned that fear will be her worst enemy back then before so it's better if she hadn't cowered her fear every time she comes contact with people.


Dislike drama 13 months ago

Frozen is only unlikable when it comes to the portrayal or portraying Anna negatively out of character easily just to affect people and all because of the sisterly drama scene at the coronation before Aren-delle was trapped in eternal winter. Anna and Elsa should've been portrayed and born unrelated to each other back then before.


Raising Izzie 13 months ago

If Anna and Elsa were forced to be separated after the incident/accident, then Elsa should've been invited to the whole entire magical world instead of being forced to locked inside of her new bedroom back then before and Anna still could've gone outside to find new friends on her own. The creators of Frozen should've included time traveling and the whole entire magical world in the movie, Frozen back then before in the first place.


Harry Potter Frozen Alternative Crossover 13 months ago

If Anna and Elsa were forced to be separated after the incident/accident, then Elsa should've been invited to the whole entire magical world instead of being forced to locked inside of her new bedroom back then before and Anna still could've gone outside to find new friends on her own. The creators of Frozen should've included time traveling and the whole entire magical world in the movie, Frozen back then before in the first place.


Alternative Harry Potter/Frozen crossover fans 13 months ago

Man, we like any and any other alternative Harry Potter and Frozen crossover wherever Elsa was born into a Malfoy family and Anna was born into a Weasley family.


Frozen Alternative 13 months ago

Anna could've written letters to Elsa during their lonely sisterly separation and isolation back then before ever since Elsa was unable to leave her new room all because of the accident/incident happened. Well, somebody or somebody has gotta be there for Anna and with Anna if Elsa nor their parents are unable to back then before during their sisterly separation and isolation. The ones who have real life experience so they should be the ones who deserve a chance to teach Anna if her parents are unable to. The creators of Frozen should've included the time traveling and whole entire magical world in Frozen back then before.


Elsa Lovers Fans Worshippers 12 months ago

Man, Elsa should've gotten more screen time, not just that insufferable, bratty Anna.


The Snow Queen and Frozen fans 12 months ago

Gerda, Kai, the pure evil titular original Snow Queen, Mrs Fyn, The pure evil Troll, The Grandmother, The Crow, The Tame Crow, The Princess, The Prince, The Old Robber Woman, The Little Robber Girl, Bae, The Lappish Woman, The Finnish Woman really should've been added in the movie, Frozen too back then before so they could've added the original Snow Queen characters themselves in the movie, Frozen back then before but no they just had to disappoint us.


Elsa Lovers Fans Worshippers 12 months ago

We're upset with Jennifer Lee so she just had to upset us for refusing to give Elsa more screen time.


Elsa Lovers Fans Worshippers 11 months ago

Elsa would've been better off living and being raised in the whole entire icy, snowy magical/wizarding world in Norway anyway instead of being stuck isolated in her own new room. Elsa especially would've been better off being raised in the magical royal version of Aren-delle anyway. Elsa still deserves to go outside just to gain lots of nice magical icy, snowy fellow friends, adventures, life experiences and knowledges just to prevent isolation, loneliness and boredom the same way Anna would still go outside just to gain lots of nice friends, adventures, life experiences and knowledges just to prevent boredom, isolation and loneliness too during their sisterly separation. I'd refuse to allow those two sisters of Aren-delle to suffer isolation, lonely and boredom during their sisterly separation if I were those creators of Frozen.


Reasons why I really love Elsa a lot, far more than ever. 8 months ago

She's cuter, more beautiful, prettier, lovelier, more interesting than that ugly Princess Anna. She especially deserves a lot, more lines and screen times than ever so far. It's not fair. The movie's supposed to be about her for crying out loud, stupid creators of Frozen.


Reasons why I really love Elsa a lot, far more than ever. 8 months ago

She's more beautiful, prettier, lovelier, more graceful, more poised, more proper, more elegant, more ladylike than that ugly Princess Anna. Elsa really needs and deserves more lines and screen times than ever so far. Ugh. It's not fair. Elsa shouldn't get less screen time back then before for crying out loud, stupid, idiot creators of Frozen.


List Of Top Ten Things That Would Make Frozen A Better Film 8 months ago

Prince Hans Being a Good Guy.

The Duke of Weselton Being the Main Villain.

Anna Acting More Mature Than Ever.

Elsa Not Worrying So Much (Less worrywart Elsa)

Anna and Elsa's Parents Still Living.

Anna and Elsa Not Being Sisters.

Sven Talking.

Time Traveling

A Frozen Christmas Carol

Crossovers with Harry Potter.

Explanation for Elsa's Powers.

More canon characters in the movie, Frozen including Hans Christian Anderson's original characters from the original Snow Queen

Anna Traveling Back In Time to Get Her Missing Memories Back Before Elsa's Coronation Day.

Fate of Kristoff's human parents revealed.

Hans's whole entire past revealed before the movie, Frozen.

More knowledges about the royal couple of Southern Isles and twelve older princely brothers of Southern Isles.

More elemental, magical/supernatural characters besides only just Elsa and the rock trolls.

More elemental, magical/supernatural characters of the movie, Frozen besides only just Elsa and the rock trolls.

Anna still goes outside of the kingdom of Aren-delle just to gain lots of friends on her own, adventures, skills, experiences and knowledges only just to prevent isolation, loneliness and boredom.

Elsa was born and raised in a whole entire wizard world wherever she still uses her icy, snowy magical powers just make herself friends on her own, gain lots of adventures, skills, experiences and knowledges just to prevent isolation, loneliness and boredom.

Elsa was more in the movie, Frozen as Elsa deserves more lines and more screen-time than ever just to let us see her more than ever.

Life's Too Short Before For The First Time In Forever Reprise.

More Than Just A Spare Before The First Time In Forever.

We Know Better.

Crossovers with Hans Christian Anderson's Snow Queen, Wicked, Enchanted, Anime including Inuyasha, Ranma 1/2, RWBY, The Legend of Zelda, other Disney films, Studio Ghibli films, Codename Kids Next Door, My Little Pony including My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic, Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends.

Less isolated, less lonely formerly Princess currently Queen Elsa of Aren-delle

Less isolated, less lonely Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less clumsy, klutzy, ditzy Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less reckless Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less awkward Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less hyperactive Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less stubborn, pig-headed Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less foolish Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less naive Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less goofy Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less childish/immature Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less crazy, less nutty, less insane, less lunatic, less wild, less out of control, less uncontrollable Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less stupid Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less annoying Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less disgusting, less gross, less smelly, less ugly, less dirty, less filthy Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less obsessive Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less obnoxious Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less creepy Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less ignorant Princess Anna of Aren-delle

More proper, more poised, more graceful, more elegant, more ladylike Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Princess Anna thinking more before her actions

Crossovers with The Little Mermaid

Crossovers with Anastasia

Crossovers with Thumbelina

Crossovers with Snow White and The Huntsman and The Huntsman: Winter's War

Crossovers with Secret Of The Wings

Crossovers with Super Mario Bros.

Crossovers with Yu Gi Oh

Crossovers with The Chronicles Of Narnia

Crossovers with Beauty and the Beast

Crossovers with The Worst Witch

Crossovers with Little Orphan Annie

Crossovers with Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs

Crossovers with Cinderella

Crossovers with Sleeping Beauty

Crossovers with Tangled

Crossovers with Brave

Crossovers with Saint Seiya


List Of Top Ten Things That Would Make Frozen A Better Film Story  8 months ago

Prince Hans Being a Good Guy.

The Duke of Weselton Being the Main Villain.

Anna Acting More Mature Than Ever.

Elsa Not Worrying So Much (Less worrywart Elsa)

Anna and Elsa's Parents Still Living.

Anna and Elsa Not Being Sisters.

Sven Talking.

Time Traveling

A Frozen Christmas Carol

Crossovers with Harry Potter.

Explanation for Elsa's Powers.

More canon characters in the movie, Frozen including Hans Christian Anderson's original characters from the original Snow Queen

Anna Traveling Back In Time to Get Her Missing Memories Back Before Elsa's Coronation Day.

Fate of Kristoff's human parents revealed.

Hans's whole entire past revealed before the movie, Frozen.

More knowledges about the royal couple of Southern Isles and other twelve princes of Southern Isles.

More elemental, magical/supernatural characters besides only just Elsa and the rock trolls.

More elemental, magical/supernatural characters of the movie, Frozen besides only just Elsa and the rock trolls.

Anna still goes outside of the kingdom of Aren-delle just to gain lots of friends on her own, adventures, skills, experiences and knowledges only just to prevent isolation, loneliness and boredom.

Elsa was born and raised in a whole entire wizard world wherever she still uses her icy, snowy magical powers just make herself friends on her own, gain lots of adventures, skills, experiences and knowledges just to prevent isolation, loneliness and boredom.

Elsa was more in the movie, Frozen as Elsa deserves more lines and more screen-time than ever just to let us see her more than ever.

Life's Too Short Before For The First Time In Forever Reprise.

More Than Just A Spare Before The First Time In Forever.

We Know Better.

Crossovers with Hans Christian Anderson's Snow Queen, Wicked, Enchanted, Anime including Inuyasha, Ranma 1/2, RWBY, The Legend of Zelda, other Disney films, Studio Ghibli films, Codename Kids Next Door, My Little Pony including My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic, Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends.

Less isolated, less lonely formerly Princess currently Queen Elsa of Aren-delle

Less isolated, less lonely Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less clumsy, klutzy, ditzy Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less reckless Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less awkward Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less hyperactive Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less stubborn, pig-headed Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less foolish Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less naive Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less goofy Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less childish/immature Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less crazy, less nutty, less insane, less lunatic, less wild, less out of control, less uncontrollable Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less stupid Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less annoying Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less disgusting, less gross, less smelly, less ugly, less dirty, less filthy Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less obsessive Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less obnoxious Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less creepy Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Less ignorant Princess Anna of Aren-delle

More proper, more poised, more graceful, more elegant, more ladylike Princess Anna of Aren-delle

Princess Anna thinking more before her actions

Crossovers with The Little Mermaid

Crossovers with Anastasia

Crossovers with Thumbelina

Crossovers with Snow White and The Huntsman and The Huntsman: Winter's War

Crossovers with Secret Of The Wings

Crossovers with Super Mario Bros.

Crossovers with Yu Gi Oh

Crossovers with The Chronicles Of Narnia

Crossovers with Beauty and the Beast

Crossovers with The Worst Witch

Crossovers with Little Orphan Annie

Crossovers with Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs

Crossovers with Cinderella

Crossovers with Sleeping Beauty

Crossovers with Tangled

Crossovers with Brave

Crossovers with Saint Seiya

Crossovers with Maleficent (2014)

Crossovers with Alice In Wonderland

Crossovers with Barbie films including Barbie In The Pink Shoes

Elsa was taken far away from Aren-delle to another world, especially icy, snowy magical wizarding world to protect her from Anna and all the magic hating, fearing ordinary muggles and all the other hating, fearing ordinary muggles.

Frozen being more about Elsa's potential to be a phenomenal character by using her perseverance in order to go on a quest to find a solution to the curse just to prevent isolation, loneliness and boredom.

Elsa going on a journey to find explanations and perhaps, a cure.

Elsa as the main character throughout the movie, Frozen.

Elsa as the most popular, most famous whole entire center of attention.

After traveling back in time to get her memories of Elsa's ice magic back, Anna confronted both of her parents and Grand Pabbie when Elsa's not even around.

Anna ran far away from Norway, especially from the kingdom of Aren-delle without Elsa, without any traces nor without any other traces only just to travel around and explore the whole entire world only just to gain lots of friends on her own, adventures, skills, experiences, knowledges just to prevent isolation, lonely and boredom.

Elsa grew up far away from the kingdom of Aren-delle like in the whole entire icy, snowy magical wizarding world, especially the Norwegian magical, wizarding royal version of the kingdom of Aren-delle where she lives alongside being currently raised.

Anna and Elsa's parents came home alive and safe.

Elsa being portrayed as an only single child.

Anna being better off with magic on her own.

Explanations for the fate of Kristof's parents.

Explanations for reasons why are Kristoff and Sven best buds

Explanations for the reasons why was Kristoff raised by rock trolls

More details than ever. Less vague, less choppy, more clear, more firm, more precise, more relevant just to answer the most critical aspects the audience really needed so far.

Frozen version of the snow queen Ingrid from Once Upon A Time

Frozen version of Helga from Once Upon A Time


If you could change anything and anything else for the better about any of Frozen characters, what would you change for the better so far? 8 months ago

I'd make Anna less clumsy, less ditzy, less klutzy, less awkward, less stubborn, less retarded, less naive, less idiotic, less hyperactive, less excitable, less reckless, less talkative, less annoying, less childish, less immature, less silly, less pig-headed, less argumentative, less aggressive, less quarrelsome, less belligerent, less obnoxious, less ugly, less disgusting, less gross, less vain, less domineering, less pushy, less forceful, less blind, less crazy, less insane, less nutty, less lunatic, less gullible, less retarded, less stupid, less ridiculous, less insistent, less insensitive, less overbearing, less boisterous, less insufferable, less pompous, less violent, less cantankerous, less offensive, less confrontational, less disagreeable, less arguable, less loud, less moronic, less dumb, less impulsive, less dorky, less quirky, less typical, even less isolated and even less lonely. I'd make Anna calmer, have more self control, more organized, more careful, more proper, more ladylike, more poised, more mature, more graceful, more regal, more elegant, more regal, more patient, more even tempered, more sensitive, more understanding, more level headed, more professional, more sympathetic, more intelligent, more skillful, more peaceful, more well behaved and more cooperative.


Reasons why Frozen was either likable or unlikable so far 7 months ago

Idiot Jennifer Lee should've been more realistic enough to reveal canon explanations for Elsa's ice magical powers back then before. To be fair, Anna and Elsa could have been likable characters, if handled by more experienced, more professional cartoon writer. But alas, that never ever even came to be.


Why Elsa's more favorable, more preferable than ever so far 7 months ago

I really wish she was more in the movie, Frozen all because she's more interesting than ever so she needs far more screen time than ever so far. Ugh. Stupid, idiot writers should've put Elsa under the spotlight more than ever back then before. If I were those stupid, idiotic creators of the movie, Frozen, I'd rather give Elsa lots and lots of more screen time alongside lots and lots of more screen time than ever so far so we all Elsa huge fans get to see her more than ever.


Dissimilarities and Similarities Between Elsa and Elphaba Thropp 7 months ago

If you ask me, I'd portray Elsa and Elphaba as better best friends than Elsa and Anna (Frozen) and Glinda and Elphaba (Wicked) if I were those creators of Frozen and those creators of Wicked too. I never ever even mind the dissimilarities between Elsa and Elphaba but I really love the similarities between Elsa and Elphaba a lot, far more than ever.


Reasons why it would've been better if Ingrid and Helga (Once Upon A Time) were in the movie, Frozen back then before 5 months ago

Man, I'll never ever even understand why Ingrid and Helga (Once Upon A Time) never ever even appeared in the movie, Frozen back then before like they deserve to be so far. Ingrid and Helga (Once Upon A Time) would've been there to meet their own nieces, Elsa and Anna during Elsa's and Anna's childbirths in the movie, Frozen back then before and they would've been there to raise Elsa and Anna in the kingdom of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen and even Once Upon A Time series too besides only just their youngest sister, Gerda (Once Upon A Time) and her husband, their brother in law the king of Aren-delle (Once Upon A Time) back then before in any cases and any other cases Gerda and her husband, Elsa and Anna's father, Ingrid and Helga's brother in law (Once Upon A Time) are unable to be there for Elsa nor Anna all the time nor all the time if those writers of Once Upon A Time hadn't killed Helga off nor imprisoned Ingrid in some stupid urn nor even made Elsa nor Anna live in the lonely isolation back then before, then none of this would've bad happened to the whole entire royal family of Aren-delle if it weren't for those creators, especially those writers of Frozen and Once Upon A Time.


Reasons why we all love Elsa (Frozen) and Lady (Lady And The Tramp 1955) are more likable than ever 5 months ago

It would've been funnier if Elsa was Lady's human owner and best friend the same way Lady was Elsa's royal pet cocker spaniel best friend in crossovers between Frozen and Lady And The Tramp.


Reasons why Elsa needs more screen time, appearances, bigger roles and scenes than ever so far 5 months ago

Elsa herself is cooler than ever. Who else is cooler than ever so far besides only just Elsa? Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) Elsa's cool ice magical powers never ever even deserve to be harder to control, out of control, uncontrollable, wild dangerous curses at all and neither does Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time). Elsa deserves to be raised by her maternal aunt, Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) in the ice palace ever since they were born with cool ice magical powers.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film/movie than ever 5 months ago

None of the original male snow queen characters even being replaced.

Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time) snow bodyguards

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) as the most popular princess of Aren-delle

The original heroine of the original snow queen, Gerda not even being renamed as Anna in the movie, Frozen

More easy going Anna

Anna not even making a fool of herself

Anna being portrayed as the moral right in the movie, Frozen just like Gerda herself the original heroine from the original snow queen

Less Panicky Elsa

Story giving more focus on Elsa than ever

Story also giving more focus on Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) than ever also

Less Erroneous

Kai as the original hero of the movie, Frozen just like of the original snow queen

Gerda as the original heroine of the movie, Frozen just like of the original snow queen

Elsa's character development being less confused

Still The Original Snow Queen

Less insulting to Hans Christian Anderson and his story, The original snow queen

All the stronger female canon characters alongside all the other stronger female characters and the POC characters that were in the original snow queen

Elsa and Anna Truly Caring About Each Other More Than Ever

Ingrid, Helga and Gerda (Once Upon A Time) Truly Caring About Each Other More Than Ever Too

Anna finding any ways and any other ways to out of Aren-delle and finding anybody and anybody else to talk to

Less self absorbed Anna

Less unrealistic Anna

More relatable Anna

More relatable Elsa

Anna giving Elsa more space than ever

Less one-dimensional Elsa

Less one-dimensional Anna

Frozen not even focusing on any sister/sisterly relationships nor any other sister/sisterly relationships nor any other sisterhoods nor any other sisterhoods nor anything sisterly nor anything else sisterly at all

The original snow queen being less ruined

Anna being more properly dressed than ever

Less Wacky Anna

Crossovers with Who Framed Roger Rabbit

Crossovers with Tom and Jerry

Helga (Once Upon A Time) not even being killed off in the show, Once Upon A Time

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) not even being killed off in the show, Once Upon A Time either

More down to earth Anna

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) treating her own niece, Elsa like her own daughter ever since she's single and childless too

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) protecting her niece, Elsa from any harm and danger and any other harm and danger at all costs and all the other costs

More Protective Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Less Manipulative Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

The real, true original titular snow queen herself being portrayed as Elsa's pure wicked, evil, cold-hearted, cruel stepdaughter in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time

Elsa being portrayed as the evil snow queen's good, beautiful, nice, kind, sweet, pretty, lovely stepdaughter in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too

The other real, true original titular snow queen herself being portrayed as Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time) pure, wicked, evil, cold-hearted, cruel stepmother

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) being portrayed as the good, beautiful, nice, polite, well mannered, kind stepdaughter of the other evil snow queen herself.

More well mannered Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

More polite Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Elsa as Ebenezer Scrooge (Charles Dickens's Christmas Carol)

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) as Jacob Marley (Charles Dickens's Christmas Carol)

Olaf as The Ghost Of Christmas Past

Oaken as The Ghost Of Christmas Present

Real evil version of Elsa herself as the Ghost Of Christmas Future/Yet To Come

Altered/alternate/alternative reality if Elsa was raised in the mansion

Not even making fun of other Disney classic films

Less Dependent Elsa

Freya (The Huntsman Winter's War 2016) as Elsa's alternate biological mother

Much more explanations, more developments, more watchable, better, happier ending(s) than ever

Much more known knowledges, revelations, informations, facts and proofs about the whole entire paternal side of the families of the unnamed king of Aren-delle (Once Upon A Time) than ever

Much more known knowledges, revelations, informations, facts and proofs about the rock trolls themselves than ever

Ingrid and Helga (Once Upon A Time) being there to meet their nieces, Gerda's two daughters, Elsa and Anna during Elsa's and Anna's childbirths in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) not even erasing any of Elsa's real memories after the bewitched Anna trapped Elsa in the urn after Ingrid used her magic to cast a spell on Anna in the show, Once Upon A Time

Much more known knowledges, informations, revelations, facts and proofs about the live action show Once Upon A Time version of unnamed king of Aren-delle himself than ever

Ingrid and Helga (Once Upon A Time) helping Gerda and the unnamed king of Aren-delle (Once Upon A Time) raise Elsa and Anna in the kingdom of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Mentions from every book and every other book of Helga and Ingrid themselves (Once Upon A Time) not even being erased in the show, Once Upon A Time

Helga (Once Upon A Time) helping Gerda and the unnamed king of Aren-delle (Once Upon A Time) raise Anna in the royal Norwegian kingdom of Aren-delle in Norway in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Much more explanations for Elsa's and Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time) ice, snow magical powers than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Not doing anything nor anything else in any boring ways nor any other boring ways in the movie, Frozen

Much more plot than ever only just to make more sense than ever

Ice, snow royal ghosts/spirits/ghost characters

Empowered ice non royals/royal characters

Frozen Charlotte (Living Dead Dolls) (c) Damien Glonek Ed Long

King Hans of another kingdom that wasn't even the southern isles.

Much more equally, empowered royal family members/characters with ice, snow magical powers than ever besides only just Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Much more friendships/mother and daughter relationship(s) bonds between Anna and Gerda (Once Upon A Time) than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Much more friendships/aunt and niece relationship(s) bonds between Anna and Helga (Once Upon A Time) than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) responsibly raising her niece, Elsa the right, proper way in the ice palace independently with the help of all the other equally empowered ice, snow royals ever since Elsa herself was born with ice magic just like Ingrid herself (Once Upon A Time) in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

Much more known knowledges, informations, revelations, canon facts and canon proofs about all the royal Norwegian family generations alongside all the other royal Norwegian generations of Aren-delle than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

Much more known knowledges, informations, revelations, canon facts and canon proofs about King Magnus and Queen Daphne, King Olaf and Queen Astrid, King Harald and Queen Sonja and Gerda and the unnamed king of Aren-delle, Gerda's husband (Once Upon A Time) than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time) than ever

Much more equally empowered royal snow, ice characters than ever besides only just Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Much more known knowledges, informations, revelations, canon facts and canon proofs about Elsa and Ingrid themselves (Once Upon A Time) than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) looking more like regal snow queens than ever like crown of icicles and gowns of beautiful white furs embroidered in snowflakes in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too


Anything and anything else that would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever 5 months ago

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) being more of powerful full fledged heroines themselves than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

True, real anti villains/anti heroes/anti heroines than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Magical dark blue stone that served for making differences between good and evil, light and darkness

Twin fairy servant sisters/girls in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Snow, ice fairies who are saving all the lives and all the other lives and helping all the desperate souls and all the other desperate souls to pass to the "other side" in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Snowmen armies and snow women armies and more snowmen armies and snow women armies than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Penguin(s) characters

Tom, Ellie and Polly (The Snow Queen 1995/The Snow Queen's Revenge 1996) in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Irma (The Snow Queen 2012) in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Prince Hans himself having more love than ever in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Real, true redeemed villains/antagonists

Less selfish, less cold-hearted, less heartless, less greedy Prince Hans and actually kinder, friendlier Prince Hans

More Classical Than Ever

Elements of Prince Hans's character not even being based on the evil mirror from the original snow queen in the movie, Frozen nor even in the show, Once Upon A Time either

Anna having more companionship than ever

Anna, Gerda and Helga (Once Upon A Time) having more friendship, more companionship and more love than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) having more friendship, more companionship and more love than ever

Plot twists making more sense than ever

Elsa and Ingrid themselves (Once Upon A Time) as the main heroines of the movie, Frozen and even the show, Once Upon A Time too

Olaf, Marshmallow and the snow-gies (Frozen Fever) being another main protagonists of the movie/throughout the whole entire movie, Frozen and even the whole entire series too

Christmas scenes and more Christmas scenes in the movie, Frozen than ever

Christmas angels/angelic characters and Christmas demons/demonic characters in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time

Norwegian Mer-worlds in Norway

Royal Norwegian ice sea kings, ice sea queens, ice princes and ice sea princesses

Norwegian sea ice witches and sea wizards

Norwegian royal pet animal best friend(s) characters

Ice ninja(s) characters

Ice pirate(s) characters

The littler robber girl (The Original Snow Queen), Kristoff, Bae (The Original Snow Queen) and Sven as best friends

Duchess (The Aristocats 1970) being Elsa's royal pet cat if Elsa was raised in Paris, France by Madame Adelaide Bon-familie herself

Lady (Lady And The Tramp 1955) as Elsa's royal pet cocker spaniel best friend and as the royal cocker spaniel princess and the royal cocker spaniel queen if she and Elsa were raised together in the Norwegian royal wizarding ice castle/palace/kingdom, in Norway

Crossovers with Lady And The Tramp (1995)

Crossovers with Bartok The Magnificent

Crossovers with So Dear To My Heart (1948)

Crossovers with Bed-knobs and Brooms (1971)

Crossovers with Fantasia (1940) and Fantasia (1999)

Crossovers with Melody Time (1984)

Crossovers with Make Mine Music (1946)

Crossovers with Song Of The South (1946)

Crossovers with Saludos Amigos (1942) and The Three Caballeros (1944)

Crossovers with Star Wars

Crossovers with Gulliver's Travels (1939)

Norwegian animal god(s)/goddesses/characters and Norwegian animal demon(s)/demonesses/characters

Crossovers with The Page-Master

Crossovers with Duck-tales

Crossovers with The Prince And The Pauper (1990)

Crossovers with Fun and Fancy Free in Mickey And The Beanstalk (1947)

Crossovers with Mako Mermaids: An H20 Adventure

Crossovers with H20: Mermaid Adventures

Crossovers with Lalaloopsy

Crossovers with Bratz

Crossovers with LEGO Friends: Power Of Friendship

Crossovers with Ever After High And Monster High

The snow lair (Once Upon A Time) in the evil snow queen's ice castle/palace/kingdom in the movie, Frozen

More appreciative Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

More appreciative Anna, Helga and Gerda (Once Upon A Time)

Norwegian magical schools in Norway for Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

More ice palaces than ever besides only just one in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

More gigantic snow monster bodyguards than ever besides only just Marshmallow in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

Elsa (Once Upon A Time) recently being released from the magical urn in the Story-brooke ever since Ingrid had frozen the whole entire kingdom of Aren-delle at the whole entire beginning of the show, Once Upon A Time earlier than ever instantly

More Frozen composite canon characters than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

Anything else magical in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Magical, magic harps in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

The movie, Frozen being meant to be more mainly about Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) as well also too

More soft spoken Anna

Frozen stepping back more than ever, especially more than only just a bit.

More literal explanations about why doesn't Anna nor even Gerda nor Helga (Once Upon A Time) like Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Snow Queen Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) of Aren-delle ever since Ingrid's coronation day

More canon facts and more canon proofs than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

No abandonments nor no other abandonments in the movie, Frozen

Anna, Gerda and Helga (Once Upon A Time) being time travelers themselves in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

Even Prince Hans alongside the rest of his twelve big older brothers and the royal couple of the Southern Isles being time travelers too

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) training Elsa how to control her magical ice, snow powers ever since Elsa herself was born with ice, snow magical powers just like Ingrid herself (Once Upon A Time) was so far in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) being able to raise the dead, time travel to either the past, the present and the future too and even create love also in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) not even losing any of her powers nor any of her other powers when she either enters the Story-brooke or the magical realm in the show, Once Upon A Time

Gerda (Once Upon A Time) not turning against Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) in the show, Once Upon A Time

Much more known knowledges, informations and revelations of Elsa's and Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time) ice, snow magical powers in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too than ever

Elsa's ice magic abilities being far much stronger, more powerfully effective, far more experienced and more capable of using them more freely than ever just like Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time) in the movie, Frozen

Gerda (Once Upon A Time) nor Grand Pabbie not erasing anybody's nor anybody else's memories from Aren-delle of Helga and Ingrid themselves (Once Upon A Time) in the show, Once Upon A Time

Gerda (Once Upon A Time) not calling Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) a monster nor putting Ingrid a monster in the show, Once Upon A Time

Less amnesiac Elsa (Once Upon A Time)

Less vengeful Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Less hateful Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Less murderous Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

More polite Elsa and more polite Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)


Anything and anything else that would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever 5 months ago

More loving Elsa and more loving Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Less emotionally scared Elsa and less emotionally scared Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Spin offs/spin off films/movies

More focus was on all the right things and all the other right things in the movie, Frozen

The plot being less horrible and less ruined

More super, fuller awesome hand drawn animation than ever

Showing real, true, truthful, honest reasons why Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) got their ice, magical powers so far in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Less insecure Elsa and less insecure Anna

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) traveling back in time to their past lives only just to meet their younger past selves controlling their ice, snow magical powers in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

More optimistic Elsa and more optimistic Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Less tragic Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Less pessimistic Elsa and less pessimistic Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Much more ice, snow magical characters who are being more similar to Elsa and Ingrid themselves (Once Upon A Time) than ever

Helga (Once Upon A Time) being revived and resurrected from the dead i the show, Once Upon A Time

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) still alive in the show, Once Upon A Time

Less tragic/less tragic death/less tragedies/no tragic/no tragic death/no tragedies nor no other tragedies

Anna not talking too much (less talkative Anna/less big mouthed/less chatterbox Anna)

More reversed Anna

More regal Elsa and more regal Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Fiercer Elsa

Magical ice, snow time travelers from either the past, the present and the future time traveling to either the past, the present and the future in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) as ice, snow magical, powerful time travelers themselves in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Anna having any idea and any other idea what she's doing so far in the movie, Frozen

Anna not even rushing anything nor anything else in the movie, Frozen

Immortalities and more immortalities than ever in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Magical powers to revive all the dead and all the other dead in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Grand Pabbie doing his magic right and better than ever in the movie, Frozen

More stable, more wanted ice magical powers and less unstable, less unwanted ice magical powers in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Elsa not even wearing her gloves in the movie, Frozen

More misunderstood characters than ever (Misunderstood characters being understood than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time)

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) being more understood than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too (More understood Elsa and more understood Ingrid (Once Upon A Time))

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) being more prominent than ever (More prominent Elsa and more prominent Ingrid (Once Upon A Time))

Less selfish Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Less fearful Gerda (Once Upon A Time)

Less easily fooled Anna (More suspicious Anna)

Helga (Once Upon A Time) still surviving her experience as an ice statue too just like her niece, Anna in the show, Once Upon A Time

Time traveling only just to fix all the bad memories and all the other bad memories of the whole entire past lives only just to change the whole entire past for the better in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Anybody and anybody else being there for Anna, Elsa, Gerda, Helga, Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) being fully, magical pure-bloods, royal ice, snow magicians and not even being muggle-borns in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Prettier Elsa and prettier Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Neither Helga, Gerda (Once Upon A Time) nor Anna being related to neither Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) nor Elsa and neither Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) nor Elsa being related to neither Helga, Gerda (Once Upon A Time) nor Anna in the movie, Frozen nor in the show, Once Upon A Time

Prettier Gerda and Prettier Helga (Once Upon A Time)

More Younger Gerda and younger Helga (Once Upon A Time) appearances/scenes than ever in the show, Once Upon A Time and in the movie, Frozen too

Baby, toddler, kid, preteen, teenage Princess Helga and Princess Gerda (Once Upon A Time) appearances/scenes in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Baby Anna scenes, toddler Anna scenes and more younger Anna scenes than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

More flashback scenes than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Even no tales of royal sisters of Aren-delle (less tales of royal sisters of Aren-delle) in the movie, Frozen nor in the show, Once Upon A Time either

More kid Elsa scenes, more preteen Elsa scenes and more teenage Elsa scenes than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Baby Princess Ingrid, toddler Princess Ingrid, kid Princess Ingrid, preteen Princess Ingrid and teenage Princess Ingrid lines and appearances/scenes in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Opened castle gates but no closed castle gates

Less easily hot headed/less easily hot tempered Anna

Anna's personality being far more different from Rapunzel's (Tangled) than ever

Less annoying music, less boring story, less annoying script, less confusing storyline, less lackluster, no/less overplayed song and less boring plot-line

Anna being able to go outside and stuff

Elsa nor Anna not even living in their lonely isolation

Anna listening to all the others more than ever (less inflexible Anna)

More flexibilities than ever

Any other more imaginary friends/creations than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

More modest Elsa and more modest Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) (Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) being the best models, more of better models than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time)

Norwegian magical wizarding world in Norway and more wizarding worlds in any other countries and even different continents than ever

Neither Anna nor Elsa even being related to each other

Cel hand drawn animation 2d alongside 3d/live action hybrid

Less artificial

Less divergence to the villain setups

Less crappy, less shitty, worthier, more interesting, more intriguing and more exciting than ever

Less shallow Elsa

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) being fit enough to be more of real, actual, good, kind, ice snow queens in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

More of a real, actual ice, snow queen story than ever

Real, true, bad, evil, wicked ice, snow kings, queens, princes and princesses in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Elsa nor Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) not being called monsters in the movie, Frozen nor in the show, Once Upon A Time either

Gerda And Helga (Once Upon A Time) not being part of the same canon universe together with Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) And Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) not being part of the same canon universe together with Gerda Nor Even Helga (Once Upon A Time) either

Anna and Elsa being part of different canon universes separately and not being part of the same canon universe together with each other

More useful Anna And less useless Anna

More useful Elsa and less useless Elsa

More groundbreaking than ever and less pacing

Elsa and Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time) backstories being better than ever and usual

Much more friendship/relationship(s) bonds between Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

More responsible Elsa (less irresponsible Elsa) and more responsible Anna (less irresponsible Anna)


Anything and anything else that would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever 5 months ago

More freedoms and more independences than ever in the movie, Frozen

Hans being less of a rip off of Gaston (Beauty and the Beast)

Fixer Upper as the non existent, non canon, deleted song from the movie, Frozen

More empowered Elsa and more empowered Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

More Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) storylines, more Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) Appearances, more Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) scenes And more Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) screen time than ever

More Creative And Newer Than Ever

More queenly Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) in the movie, Frozen

Altered/alternate/alternative, national, ethnic versions of Elsa And Ingrid themselves (Once Upon A Time), especially altered/alternate/alternative, Asian, Japanese versions Of Elsa And Ingrid themselves (Once Upon A Time)

Anna Even Also Having Biggest Rivals On Her Own

Less laziness/less lazy

Parents better at parenting than ever and usual

More necessaries than ever

More necessary true villains/antagonists than ever

Necessary true villains/antagonists

Elsa having more figures than ever

Anna, Gerda and Helga (Once Upon A Time) being better role models than ever

Leaving better tastes in anybody's and anybody else's mouths

Any other reasons to make, not only just to get money and sell merchandise to any fans and any other fans

Frozen having any clue and any other clue what it wanted to be so far if

the plot pulled it off more correctly than ever if only Disney was trying harder than ever

More relevant than ever and less irrelevant

More preferable Elsa And more preferable Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

No forced canon romantic relationships

Less shoehorned, less plot holes/No plot holes

Much more explanations about how Elsa And Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) even gained their ice, snow magical powers than ever in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

Greater Elsa and greater Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Frozen feeling less flat

Slower than ever, taking more time than ever and less fast

Anna being slower than ever and less fast

Anna being free and allowed to leave Aren-delle

The plot having more focus than ever and being less of a mess and less cheap

Elsa getting much more time than ever in the movie, Frozen

Elsa Having More Lines, More Appearances, More Scenes, More Screen Time, Bigger Roles Than Ever, The Biggest Role Ever And The Most Screen Time Ever

Olaf, Marshmallow And Snow-gies (Frozen Fever) Having More Lines, More Appearances, More Scenes, More Screen Time Than Ever, Having More Bigger Roles, Having The Most Screen Times Ever And The Biggest Roles Ever Too

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) Having More Lines, More Appearances, More Scenes, More Screen Time Than Ever, Having More Bigger Roles, Having The Most Screen Times Ever And The Biggest Roles Ever Too

More Sparkly Elsa And More Sparkly Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Prettier Elsa And Prettier Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Being less of a disgrace, less of an embarrassment and less of a mock to other Disney classic films/movies

More 2D Cel Hand Drawn Animation Than Ever And Less 3D Computer Generated Imagery

More Quality, More Coherent, More Precise And Clearer Than Ever

More Critical Aspects And More Questions Than Ever Answered

Less Choppy

Better Character Designs And Better Writing Than Ever And Usual

Less Major Insults To Hans Christian Anderson's Original Snow Queen

Being Less Of A Major Insult To Hans Christian Anderson's Original Snow Queen

More Originalities Than Ever And Less Unoriginalities

More Sensible Witches And More Sensible Wizards Than Ever

More Sensible Trolls Than Ever And Less Insensible Rock Trolls

Trolls Being More Sensible Than Ever And Being Less Insensible

No Appearances, No Scenes, No Screen Time, No Roles Nor No Mention Of Anna

Gerda Nor Helga (Once Upon A Time) Not Being Part Of The Same Royal Norwegian Family Together With Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) Not Being Part Of The Same Royal Norwegian Family Together With Gerda Nor Helga (Once Upon A Time)

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) Being Able to Control Her Abilities Enough When She Was Growing Up Getting Any Training On How To Control Her Abilities

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) Living Together In The Large Palace In The Giant Mountains, The Area Away From People In Order To Come To Crips With Her Magic Where They Could Go "Play" In The Hopes That They Could Eventually Control Their Skills By Practicing It Far More Than Ever

Elsa Nor Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) Nor The Rock Trolls/Love Experts Not Being The Only One Born With Magic

Elsa's Potential Being Utilized As A Phenomenal Character By Using Her Perseverance In Order To Go On A Quest To Find A Solution To The Curse

Elsa Being The Main, Lead Protagonist Character Throughout The Whole Entire Film/Movie

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) Being The Other Main, Lead Protagonist Character Throughout The Whole Entire Film/Movie Too

Queen Elsa And Queen Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) Of The Norwegian Ice Palace In Norway

Elsa And Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) Being The Biological Daughters Of Two Royal, Regal Ice Couples

Anna and Elsa Not Being Part Of The Same Royal Norwegian Family Together With Each Other

Anna and Elsa Being Part Of Separate, Different Royal Norwegian

Families

Elsa's and Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time) Ice, Snow Magical Powers Being More Stable Than Ever And Being Less Unstable

Elsa's Other More Imaginary Friends/Creations

Anna And Elsa Having More Freedoms Than Ever

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) Having Ice, Snow Magical Adventures, Life Experiences, Knowledges And Life Skills

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) Being One And An Only Single Child

Gerda and Helga (Once Upon A Time) Being Two And Only Princess Sisters Of Aren-delle In Norway

Queen Helga (Once Upon A Time) of Aren-delle

Helga's (Once Upon A Time) Real World Story-Brooke Counterpart Character/Modern Reincarnation

Much More Known Knowledges, Informations And Revelations About Gerda, Helga and Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time) Whole Entire Past Lives Than Ever

Anna's Modern Reincarnation

Anna Being An Only Single Child

Anna Thinking More Than Ever Before She Acts (Anna's Thoughts Before Her Actions)

Less Written Poorly, Less Poorly Executed, Less Shitty Character And Less Solely Existent For Eye Candy

Less Self Centered Anna

Less Obsessed, Less Obsessive Anna

More Thinkable Anna

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) As The Whole Entire World's Most Popular, Most Famous Whole Entire World's Center Of Attentions

More Faithful Adaptions Of The Original, Titular Snow Queen

More Silent Anna And Less Big MotorMouthed Anna

Anna Speaking More Clearly Than Ever

Anna Having Anything Else In Her Whole Entire Personality

Less Love Triangle/No Love Triangle

Anna and Elsa Not Even Being Orphans

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) Being Themselves More Than Ever

More Creative Elsa and More Creative Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

More Royal Ice, Snow Magicians Than Ever in the movie, Frozen

Live Action/Non Animated/Non Cartoon Once Upon A Time Versions Of Olaf (Frozen) And The Snow-gies (Frozen Fever)

The Original Troll(s) (The Original Snow Queen By Hans Andersen)

Helga (Once Upon A Time)


What could've, would've and should've happened in the movie, Frozen back then before so far 5 months ago

Anna would've been better off as a canon powerful time traveler herself anyway so she would've been able to travel back in time to the past to find out any truthful reasons nor any other truthful reasons about why she and Elsa were forced to be separable back then before. Time traveling to the past ought to be the best, possible solution for Anna.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever 5 months ago

Anna would've been better off as a canon powerful time traveler herself anyway so she would've been able to travel back in time to the past to find out any truthful reasons nor any other truthful reasons about why she and Elsa were forced to be separable back then before. Time traveling to the past ought to be the best, possible solution for Anna ever since Anna's honest.


Any reasons and any other reasons why the portrayal of Anna and Elsa as sisters wasn't good idea nor the best idea ever at all/the portrayal of Anna and Elsa as sisters was a bad idea/worst idea ever 5 months ago

Let's face it. The portrayal of Anna and Elsa as sisters wasn't a good idea at all. That was a bad idea. I don't like Anna and Elsa as sisters at all all because of the love hate relationship, especially strife and not only just the past year separation but all because of the strife at the coronation party before the eternal winter. I don't like them being in the same movie together at all either. I don't like them being raised in the same royal kingdom of Aren-delle together at all. I don't even like them being in the same canon universe nor the same time together at all. Face it, Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck, Anna and Elsa as sisters wasn't a good idea so it was a bad idea so Anna and Elsa shouldn't be portrayed as sisters back then before so I rather like the idea of Anna and Elsa in different canon universes, different times and different worlds than in the same canon universe, the same time and the same world anyway. I also rather like the idea of Anna and Elsa in different Disney films than in the same Disney film anyway too. I rather like the idea of Anna and Elsa being raised in different royal, Norwegian kingdoms in Noway anyway than in the same royal Norwegian kingdom in Norway. I I were those creators of the movie, Frozen, I'd rather not force Anna nor Elsa to be sisters of each other's. Anna and Elsa shouldn't ever even exist in the same canon Disney film nor exist in the same canon time nor same canon universe nor especially not in the live in the same isolation together at all either if they were separated for past thirteen years ago. Anna and Elsa would've been better off in existing in different canon Disney films, different canon times, different canon universes/worlds, different canon times than in the same Disney canon film, same canon time, same canon world/universe together anyway. Anna and Elsa mostly would've been better off living and being raised in different royal Norwegian kingdoms of Norway too than in the same royal Norwegian kingdom of Norway. Anna and Elsa especially would've been better off being part of different royal Norwegian biological families than the same royal Norwegian biological family anyway. Anna and Elsa especially would've been better off being portrayed as unrelated to each other anyway than being sisters anyway. Anna and Elsa even would've been better off being portrayed as the most unrelated/non related irreconcilable biggest worst enemies/rivals even if they attended Hogwarts School Of Witchcraft and Wizardry together if Elsa was especially born a real, biological Malfoy herself, Elsa was Draco's little younger sister and Lucius and Narcissa's daughter, sorted in the Slytherin House while Anna was sorted into Gryffindor House. The portrayal of Anna and Elsa as sisters was a nightmare that already came true.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever 5 months ago

Less obsessed/less obsessive Anna

Anna and Elsa being better off being raised in different royal kingdoms, different countries, even different continents than in the same kingdom, country and the same continent.

Anna and Elsa never ever even met nor knew nor remembered each other at all.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever 5 months ago

Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time) existence being mentioned in the movie, Frozen too, not just in the show Once Upon A Time

Helga's (Once Upon A Time) existence being mentioned in the movie, Frozen too, not only just in the show, Once Upon A Time

Explanations about where Elsa's and Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time come from so far

Any real ways and any other real ways of knowing more about Frozen

Any magical ice dolls and any other magical ice dolls have ice magical powers too just like Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)


What's it like if Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) raised Elsa too in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too? 5 months ago

If those unfair writers of the show, Once Upon A Time hadn't imprisoned Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) in some stupid urn back then before nor isolated Elsa from the whole entire world back then before, then Ingrid would've been there to meet her own equally empowered niece, Elsa, raise Elsa and especially train Elsa to control her magical ice powers back then before.


Anything and anything else that would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever 5 months ago

Man, Ingrid's and Helga's (Once Upon A Time) existences would've been mentioned in the movie, Frozen too.


What's it like if Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) was in the movie, Frozen too back then before so far? Not just in the show, Once Upon A Time 5 months ago

Ingrid would've been there to meet her own equally empowered niece, Elsa during Elsa's childbirth, raise Elsa too and especially train Elsa to control her ice powers back then before in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time if those writers hadn't imprisoned Ingrid in some stupid, filthy urn back then before in the show, Once Upon A Time nor made Elsa live in the lonely isolation.


Similarities between the original Snow Queen, Frozen And Once Upon A Time 5 months ago

Anna (Frozen) - Gerda (The Original Snow Queen)

Elsa (Frozen) - Kai/Original Titular Snow Queen (The Original Snow Queen)

Gerda (Once Upon A Time) - Gerda (The Original Snow Queen)

Helga (Once Upon A Time) - Kai (The Original Snow Queen)

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) - The Original Titular Snow Queen


Dissimilarities and Similarities between the original Snow Queen, Frozen And Once Upon A Time 5 months ago

Frozen: Anna is Gerda, Elsa is Kai/The Snow Queen, Kristoff is the robber girl, Sven is Bae and Hans is the troll mirror.

Once Upon A Time: Gerda (Once Upon A Time) is Gerda, Helga (Once Upon A Time) is Kai and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) is The Snow Queen


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever 5 months ago

More plausible, more explanations than ever


Any reasons and any other reasons why Elsa, Olaf, Marshmallow (Frozen), The snow-gies (Frozen Fever) and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) should've been created by Walt Disney himself back then before in the 5 months ago

Elsa, Olaf, Marshmallow (Frozen), the snow-gies (Frozen Fever) and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) are one of the most interesting, most likable characters ever so far. They should've been the most old memorable, most beloved traditional hand drawn old Disney characters back then before so they're all the reason we love Frozen the adaptation of the original snow queen. Elsa herself, Olaf himself, Marshmallow himself (Frozen), the snow-gies themselves and even Ingrid herself (Once Upon A Time) would've been old Disney characters back then before 2013.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 5 months ago

Elsa discovering a magic/magical book about how to learn how to use and control her ice magical powers in the movie, Frozen

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) discovering a magic/magical book about how to learn to use and control her ice magical powers too.

Elsa still having so much fun with her ice magical powers in the movie, Frozen.

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) still having so much fun with her ice magical powers in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too.

Elsa's ice palace filled with ice giants, animals which are used to cold temperature and even a giant ice eagle too in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time.

Ingrid's ice palace filled with other ice giants, other animals which are used to cold temperature too and even another giant ice eagle too in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 5 months ago

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) discovering magic/magical books about how to learn to use and control their powers in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too.

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) still having so much fun with their ice magical powers in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too.

Elsa's and Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time) ice palace filled with ice giants, animals which are used to cold temperatures and even giant ice eagles too in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too.

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) treating each other like a mother and a daughter in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 5 months ago

More Redeemable Prince Hans and Less Irredeemable Hans


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 5 months ago

More redeemable Prince Hans and less irredeemable Hans

The animated/cartoon movie/Frozen style versions of Ingrid and Helga themselves (Once Upon A Time)


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a Disney film than ever so far 5 months ago

More redeemable Prince Hans and less irredeemable Prince Hans

The animated/cartoon movie, Frozen style versions of Ingrid and Helga themselves (Once Upon A Time)

The movie, Frozen following the original snow queen the original fairytale

Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) keeping their powers in check in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

Elsa's ice dress having more Scandinavian elements than ever in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time

Elsa solo in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) solo in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a Disney film than ever so far 5 months ago

Anna thinking things through in the movie, Frozen


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 5 months ago

Less screw ups


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 4 months ago

Written believably.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 4 months ago

Roma the robber girl herself in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

Roma the robber girl not being cut out in the movie, Frozen

Another titular original more complicated snow queen herself being portrayed as Elsa's stepmother in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Another titular original snow queen herself being portrayed as Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time) stepmother in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Another titular original snow queen herself who's more complicated than ever in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too

Gerda (Elsa and Anna's mother) got more development than ever and going on a cool rescue mission, anything and anything else in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time

Prince Hans being less based on the evil troll mirror glass from the original snow queen in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too

More ice beasts protecting Elsa and even Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) from any harm/danger and any other harm/danger at all costs and all the other costs in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 4 months ago

Elsa's powers being explained better than ever in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time.

Having a more complicated Snow Queen in the movie, Frozen


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 4 months ago

Both Elsa and Anna being portrayed as unrelated, sister-less only single children


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 4 months ago

Elsa being placed under the real complicated snow queen's spell only just to become violent, aggressive, cruel, just like the original male protagonist Kai in the original snow queen.

Elsa being kidnapped by the real complicated original snow queen herself from Aren-delle

ever since she was eight just like Kai was kidnapped by the original snow queen herself

Elsa living, growing up, being raised and isolated in the ice palace by the real complicated original snow queen herself instead of being isolated in Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 4 months ago

Elsa not being isolated in the kingdom of Aren-delle together in the movie, Frozen.

Elsa being isolated in the ice palace far, farther, further away from Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 4 months ago

Elsa being kidnapped by the real complicated original snow queen herself from Aren-delle just like Kai was kidnapped by the original snow queen herself

Big, bolder Elsa


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 4 months ago

There are reasons why Frozen's no better than Tangled at all, aren't they? Rapunzel was kidnapped by Gothel ever since she was an infant after she was born with magical hair. There are also reasons why Frozen's no better than Shrek either at all, aren't they? Fiona was isolated in a tower far, farther, further away from the kingdom of Far Far Away because she was turn into a ogress every night only when the sun goes down. Frozen needs more answers than ever too you know.


How would you change Froze for the better so far? 4 months ago

Less scared, baby Elsa

Gerda not being portrayed as a royal maid servant for Elsa and Anna

Built up more than ever

Anna not being obsessive over Elsa

Anna talking to the servants

Anna playing with the kids

Elsa having more better personalities than ever.

Anna not a every basic teenage girl nowadays

Anna trying to make any friends and any other friends.

Less ignorant

Less ignorant trolls

The trolls not ignoring Kristoff's and Anna's own feelings in the issue.

Not suffering from an existential crisis through the film.

World building

More answered questions for the audience in regards to the magic and lore of the land.

More explanations about how Elsa received her powers in the first place

Sage magicians

World being built up more than ever

Anna being strikingly less similar, more dissimilar to Rapunzel

Anna and Elsa never ever even being portrayed as royal princess sisters

Women not being replaced with cast of men

Kai not being dropped altogether

Princess Gerda

The little robber girl being a better have a good role in the movie, Frozen

This plot resembling the original fairytale, the original snow queen!

More given answers than ever of the final arc of the movie, Frozen

Clues and hints given about that Hans wasn't what he seems to be so far

More completely needed named characters

Anna feeling like a real person

More believable Anna

Elsa's development being less rushed and less inferred

Elsa not being locked up in her room

Less mediocre

Elsa given more personalities than ever

No plot-holes

Anna going outside

Anna having climbing mountain knowledge

Elsa not running away from her royal responsibilities

This kind princess and prince being the inspirations for the Rapunzel and Ryder Flynn cameo in Frozen

The main characters in “The Snow Queen” are Gerda and Kay who are described as being “not brother and sister, but they loved each other just as much as if they had been.

In Frozen, Elsa being the one who has her heart frozen — which is what kind of happened to Kay.

Elsa losing her sweet nature when her heart was being frozen and struck by the real original titular evil snow queen in the movie, Frozen.

Elsa forgetting about Anna, Aren-delle and joining the real original titular evil snow queen in the movie, Frozen

Anna being more like Gerda if only Anna hadn't been portrayed as a total insult to Gerda the original heroine of the original snow queen

No real romantic relationships in the movie, Frozen either.

Less silly Olaf

Garda's crows themselves form the original snow queen

Pigeons themselves from the original snow queen

The little robber girl from the original snow queen appearing in the movie, Frozen too

The little robber girl being one hundred percent a better owner to her reindeer, Bae like Kristoff to Sven

Anna not basically Rapunzel

Less gusty Anna

Anna being portrayed as a one and only single sister-less child of Aren-delle

Elsa also being portrayed as a one and only single sister-less child

Ingrid being portrayed as a one and only single sister-less child

Gerda and Helga (Once Upon A Time) being portrayed as two and only princess sisters of Aren-delle

Anna calming her twits and getting some social skills first

Hans having clear motive in the movie, Frozen


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 4 months ago

Ingrid and Helga (Once Upon A Time) also being there to Elsa and Anna in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too.

Ingrid and Helga (Once Upon A Time) giving Elsa and Anna guidance and affection in the movie, Frozen.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 4 months ago

You know. The other snow queen, Ingrid didn’t love her sisters. She constantly put her own fears of judgment over the happiness of her sisters, abused them, tolled them that it was for them that she was doing all this for, made them feel ashamed and guilty of themselves, gave away their sisterly bond like it was a toke all for herself, never ever even trusted them, always doubted them, made them sacrifice, perfume for her like her dolls and prove their love for her. You can see the parallels between Elsa and Ingrid the other snow queen. They both put their fears of judgment over the wellbeing and happiness of the siblings/sisters, doubted, didn't trust their siblings/sisters, made their siblings/sisters feel ashamed of themselves, made their siblings/sisters sacrifice for them and that resulted in their deaths! The difference is that Elsa learned from Anna’s sacrifice! She learned about true love and sacrifice. The snow queen didn’t all because of the duke so Helga was unfortunately killed off by those unfair writers in the show, Once Upon A Time already but I still do wish Helga was another canon character in the movie, Frozen too back then before, not just the show, Once Upon A Time. She just expected her little sister to make another sacrifice for her, and when she saw thought, and that the snow queen didn't truly love her nor her dead sister, Helga. She had to end the ring of pain. The only way she could! On top of this and that is that the snow queen never ever even learned from her punishment ether! She just become a biter bitch! That is just taking out her anger! In the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time, Ingrid would've been there for Elsa back then before so Elsa wouldn't ever even have to be isolated nor lonely in the movie, Frozen at all. Ingrid would've raised her own equally empowered niece, Elsa in the ice palace in/throughout the whole entire film back then before too ever since Elsa was only just a baby back then ever since Ingrid would've been there to meet her own equally, empowered niece, Elsa during Elsa's childbirth in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too so Elsa wouldn't believe nor think she's the only one with cool ice magic/magical, powerful abilities at all. Furthermore, Ingrid especially would've been there to train Elsa how to control her ice magic/magical, powerful abilities in/throughout the whole entire movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before too so Elsa wouldn't ever even have to be alone nor lonely nor isolated in the movie, Frozen at all. Ingrid especially would've been there to give Elsa guidance and affection in the movie, Frozen even alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back the before too. Ingrid mostly would've been the real snow queen of Aren-delle or better yet, the real snow queen of the ice palace in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before too. Ingrid would've been the other snow queen in the movie, Frozen back then before too like she deserves to be so far, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time. Helga would've been better off still alive in not only just the show, Once Upon A Time but she also would've been a canon character in the movie, Frozen back then before too like she deserves to be so far. Helga also would've been there for her own niece, Anna back then before in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time like she deserves to be so far so Anna wouldn't ever even be alone nor lonely nor isolated in the movie, Frozen at all. Helga would've been there to meet her own niece, Anna during Anna's childbirth back then before in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too. Helga would've been there to raise her own niece, Anna in the kingdom of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before like she deserves to be so far too so Anna wouldn't ever even have to be isolated nor lonely nor even alone in the movie, Frozen at all. Helga would've been there to give Anna guidance and affection in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before too. Helga even would've been the queen of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before like she deserves to be if only Ingrid was better off living, being raised, growing up in the ice palace in the whole entire European wizarding world in Europe, Norway, especially being isolated away from Aren-delle where she could be the real snow queen of the ice palace just like Elsa would've been better off living, being raised by her maternal aunt, Ingrid, growing up in the ice palace in the whole entire European, Norwegian wizarding world in Europe, Norway, especially being isolated away from Aren-delle wherever she could also be the other real snow queen of the ice palace back then before in the movie, Frozen even alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too. It's no wonder there are reasons why both of these/those cool royal muggle-born ice, snow princesses/queens, Elsa and Ingrid themselves equally deserved to be portrayed as non related/unrelated to these/those three normal, ordinary royal muggles, Anna, Gerda too and even Helga themselves also equally in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too. There are also some tales of royal Norwegian sisters of Aren-delle can and could be very hard to like, love and enjoy so far, right? Furthermore, there are reasons why it's so hard to enjoy, like and love the ideas and the portrayals of the ice, snow princesses/queens being related to complete normal, ordinary princesses/queens and the ideas and portrayals of the snow princesses/queens having their own younger sisters who are portrayed to be complete non magic/non magical, normal, ordinary muggles instead no matter exactly how many normal, ordinary muggle younger sisters they really have on their own so far.


Any reasons and any other reasons why Frozen alongside Once Upon A Time Frozen episodes were hard to like so far 4 months ago

Elsa would've been better off being raised and isolated in the ice palace back then before instead of Aren-delle anyway, mostly far, farther, further away from Aren-delle, especially far, farther, further away from Anna all because I can't nor couldn't stand the idea of Elsa and Anna living and being in the same isolation together with each other at all during forced separation/estrangement ever since after the incident/accident so Elsa would've been better off being portrayed as the real snow queen of the ice palace so Anna would've been the queen of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen back then before. I'll never ever even forgive the writers of the show, Once Upon A Time for killing Helga and Ingrid in the show, Once Upon A Time.

Man, I wish Ingrid and Helga (Once Upon A Time) were in the movie, Frozen back then before too, not just the show, Once Upon A Time. I wish Ingrid and Helga were there for Elsa and Anna in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too. I don't even like the idea portrayal of Elsa and Anna as orphaned sisters from the start at all. Sisterly drama tension strife at the coronation really hurts my feelings. I don't like the idea portrayal of Anna and Elsa as sisters at all because of the argument at the coronation really hurts my feelings, affects me, upsets me and angers the most. I don't like the idea portrayal of Anna and Elsa being related to each other as sisters at all.


Any reasons and any other reasons why the idea portrayal of Prince Hans as a real, true villain of the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time was unlikable 4 months ago

Man, those idiot writers of the show, Once Upon A Time would've had Hans redeemed himself in the show, Once Upon A Time back then before but no instead they just had to have him remind irredeemable anyway. Seriously, Hans never ever even deserves to be based on the evil troll mirror in the movie, Frozen at all. It's not fair. Hans deserves to be based on the original prince from the original snow queen for crying out loud. Elsa really deserves to be portrayed as just a female Kai in the movie, Frozen like she would've been back then before and the real original snow queen herself really should've been portrayed as the true main villain in the Frozen back then before. The one who would've kidnapped Princess Elsa of Aren-delle for her ice magical powers by stealing Elsa away from Aren-delle and raised her in the ice palace ever since Elsa was only just a baby ever since she was born with ice magical powers so far the same way Mother Gothel kidnapped Rapunzel for her magical hair by stealing Rapunzel from Corona in the movie, Tangled. It's no wonder there are reasons why Frozen was inferior and Tangled was superior. I'm glad that they made Ingrid just Elsa Version 1 but I still wish the more complicated original Snow Queen herself that I love from the original story was in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too though besides only just Elsa and even Ingrid too. That’s the best part about the original so far–WE DON’T KNOW what the Snow Queen’s motives are. Come on, we still badly wanted to know what the snow queen's motive's are so far. She would've been there to take Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) and Elsa away from Aren-delle to the ice palace wherever she could raise them in the ice palace in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too.

There are reasons why crossovers between the original snow queen, Frozen and Once Upon A Time are likable, aren't they?

Frozen: Anna is Gerda, Elsa is Kai/the original snow queen, Kristoff is the robber girl, Sven is Bae, Bulda is the troll and Hans is the troll mirror.

Once Upon A Time: Gerda is Gerda, Helga is Kai and Ingrid is the snow queen.

Man, I just wish Ingrid and Helga were canon characters in the movie, Frozen too, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time. Ingrid and Helga would've been there for their own nieces, Elsa and Anna in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too back then before so neither Elsa nor Anna would ever even be lonely nor isolated in the movie, Frozen. Ingrid and Helga also would've been there to meet their own nieces, Elsa and Anna during Elsa's and Anna's childbirths in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too back then before. Ingrid and Helga would've been there to raise their own nieces, Elsa and Anna in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too back then before besides only just their youngest sister, Gerda and their brother in law, Kai so neither Elsa nor Anna would be lonely nor isolated at all. Ingrid especially would've been there to train Elsa how to control her ice magic/magical, powerful abilities in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too back then before so Elsa wouldn't be lonely nor isolated in the movie, Frozen at all. Ingrid especially also would've been the snow queen of either Aren-delle or better yet, the ice palace in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too unless Helga would've been still alive to be the queen of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too. Ingrid and Helga would've been there to give Elsa and Anna any guidance, any other guidance, any affection and any other affection too.


Any reasons and any other reasons why Frozen and the show, Once Upon A Time including Frozen episodes would've made nice connections back then before 4 months ago

We never ever even hear the King and Queen's canon names so changing them was okay alright and we don't hear the servants' names either and never ever even did nor still do. No offense but I don't like the idea of Frozen already having Kai and Gerda as two of the royal servants of Arendelle at all. I wish that they named the parents, Gerda and Kai in the movie, Frozen so it would've been a nice connection to the original work back then before. The reason they named her Gerda is to the parallel the original story of the original snow queen. The two main characters were Gerda and Kai. I hope the father's name was Kai in the show, Once Upon A Time. Gerda would've either sold Elsa off to a sorcerer and released Ingrid from the urn back then before instead of Hans when she was still alive and there and let Ingrid raise Elsa too back then before and made Anna the heiress or Gerda would've gone mad. Back when Elsa was born with ice magic, I just wish those writers of the show, Once Upon A Time released Ingrid from the urn so she'll know Elsa has magic powers too just like her. I'll never ever even forgive the writers of the show, Once Upon A Time for making Gerda betraying her own sister, Ingrid at all. The movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time would've been better off with time traveling than without time traveling at all. Time traveling deserves to be included in the movie, Frozen and the show, Once Upon A Time too like it should've been back then before all because it deserves to be portrayed as the solution for Anna and Gerda alongside their sisters, Elsa and Ingrid, solution to the tragedy, separation, isolation, loneliness and all the other sisterly past problems. Anna and Gerda would've been better off being portrayed as time travelers themselves in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time and so would Elsa and Ingrid. Even Hans alongside the rest of his twelve big older brothers would've been better off being portrayed as time travelers themselves too.


Any reasons and any other reasons why's it's so hard to enjoy, like and love the ideas and portrayals of the ice, snow princesses/queens having any sisters and any other sisters including younger sist 4 months ago

You know. The other snow queen, Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) didn’t love her sisters, Helga nor Gerda. She constantly put her own fears of judgment over the happiness of her sisters, abused them, tolled them that it was for them that she was doing all this for, made them feel ashamed and guilty of themselves, gave away their sisterly bond like it was a toke all for herself, never ever even trusted them, always doubted them, made them sacrifice, perfumed for her like her dolls and proved their love for her. You can see the parallels between Elsa and Ingrid the other snow queen. They both put their fears of judgment over the wellbeing and happiness of the siblings/sisters, doubted, didn't trust their siblings/sisters, made their siblings/sisters feel ashamed of themselves, made their siblings/sisters sacrifice for them and that resulted in their deaths! The difference is that Elsa learned from Anna’s sacrifice! She learned about true love and sacrifice. The snow queen didn’t all because of the duke so Helga was unfortunately killed off by those unfair writers in the show, Once Upon A Time already but I still do badly wish Helga was another canon character in the movie, Frozen too back then before, not just the show, Once Upon A Time. She just expected her little sister, Gerda to make another sacrifice for her, and when she saw thought, and that the snow queen didn't truly love her nor her dead sister, Helga. She had to end the ring of pain. The only way she could! On top of this and that is that the snow queen never ever even learned from her punishment either! She just become a biter bitch! That was just taking her anger out! In the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time, Ingrid would've been there for Elsa back then before so Elsa wouldn't ever even have to be isolated nor lonely in the movie, Frozen at all. Ingrid would've raised her own equally empowered niece, Elsa in the ice palace in/throughout the whole entire film back then before too ever since Elsa was only just a baby back then ever since Ingrid would've been there to meet her own equally, empowered niece, Elsa during Elsa's childbirth in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too so Elsa wouldn't believe nor think she's the only one with cool ice magic/magical, powerful abilities at all. Furthermore, Ingrid especially would've been there to train Elsa how to control her ice magic/magical, powerful abilities in/throughout the whole entire movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before too so Elsa wouldn't ever even have to be alone nor lonely nor isolated in the movie, Frozen at all. Ingrid especially would've been there to give Elsa guidance and affection in the movie, Frozen even alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back the before too. Ingrid mostly would've been the real snow queen of Aren-delle or better yet, the real snow queen of the ice palace in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before too. Ingrid would've been the other snow queen in the movie, Frozen back then before too like she deserves to be so far, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time. Helga would've been better off still alive in not only just the show, Once Upon A Time but she also would've been a canon character in the movie, Frozen back then before too like she deserves to be so far. Helga also would've been there for her own niece, Anna back then before in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time like she deserves to be so far so Anna wouldn't ever even be alone nor lonely nor isolated in the movie, Frozen at all. Helga would've been there to meet her own niece, Anna during Anna's childbirth back then before in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too. Helga would've been there to raise her own niece, Anna in the kingdom of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before like she deserves to be so far too so Anna wouldn't ever even have to be isolated nor lonely nor even alone in the movie, Frozen at all. Helga would've been there to give Anna guidance and affection in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before too. Helga even would've been the queen of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before like she deserves to be if only Ingrid was better off living, being raised, growing up in the ice palace in the whole entire European wizarding world in Europe, Norway, especially being isolated away from Aren-delle where she could be the real snow queen of the ice palace just like Elsa would've been better off living, being raised by her maternal aunt, Ingrid, growing up in the ice palace in the whole entire European, Norwegian wizarding world in Europe, Norway, especially being isolated away from Aren-delle wherever she could also be the other real snow queen of the ice palace back then before in the movie, Frozen even alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too. It's no wonder there are reasons why both of these/those cool royal muggle-born ice, snow princesses/queens, Elsa and Ingrid themselves equally deserved to be portrayed as non related/unrelated to these/those three normal, ordinary royal muggles, Anna, Gerda too and even Helga themselves also equally in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too. There are also some tales of royal Norwegian sisters of Aren-delle can and could be very hard to like, love and enjoy so far, right? Furthermore, there are reasons why it's so hard to enjoy, like and love the ideas and the portrayals of the ice, snow princesses/queens being related to complete normal, ordinary princesses/queens and the ideas and portrayals of the snow princesses/queens having their own younger sisters who are portrayed to be complete non magic/non magical, normal, ordinary muggles instead no matter exactly how many normal, ordinary muggle younger sisters they really have on their own so far.


Any reasons and any other reasons why the ideas and portrayals of Elsa and Anna as sister-less royal princesses were better than the ideas and portrayals of Elsa and Anna as related to each other as r 4 months ago

I gotta admit. There are reasons why Hermione Granger, Ginny Weasley and Luna Love-good (Harry Potter) are better than Anna and Elsa anyway, aren't they? Hermione Granger, Ginny Weasley and Luna Love-good were all portrayed as sister-less witches. Let's face it. Both Anna and Elsa equally would've been better off being portrayed as unrelated Norwegian royal sister-less princesses than as royal princess sisters of Aren-delle anyway. That way we'd never ever even have to complain about sisterly drama tension strife. There are reasons why Kagome and Sango (Inuyasha) are better than Anna and Elsa also, aren't they? Both Kagome and Sango equally have little brothers, Kohaku and Sota and cats, Buyo and Kirara. Akane Tendo (Ranma 1/2) has two older sisters, Nabiki and Kasumi. There are reasons why Kikyo and Kaede are better than Elsa and Anna anyway, aren't they? There are reasons why Kaede's better than Anna anyway, aren't they?

If only Elsa alongside Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) was and had been taken away from Aren-delle back then before straight to the whole entire Norwegian wizarding world in Norway, especially straight to the ice palace known as the royal Norwegian wizarding kingdom version of the royal Norwegian muggle kingdom of Aren-delle in Norway, then Ingrid would've been able the snow queen of the ice palace, there for Elsa, raise Elsa, give Elsa any guidance, any other guidance, any affection and any other affection and especially train Elsa how to control her ice abilities in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too. Man, I'll never ever even know what's it like if Elsa alongside Ingrid was raised in the Norwegian wizarding world in Norway, especially in the ice palace or the Norwegian wizarding royal kingdom version of the royal Norwegian muggle kingdom of Aren-delle in Norway so far. This stinks. There are reasons why canon sucks anyway, aren't they?


Any reasons and any other reasons why I can't nor couldn't stand the ideas nor the portrayals of Hans nor any of his twelve big older brothers as the real, true villainous, antagonistic characters in  4 months ago

If the duke was actually a real villain, then it would've been far much better than ever so far. I rather prefer the idea of Hans as a good guy than the bad guy in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too. The idea portrayal of Prince Hans himself alongside all the twelve princely big older brothers as the villains was a bad idea from the start. What a stupid idea. Those idiot writers of the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time should've let us know much more about the royal couple of the Southern Isles back then before.


Any reasons and any other reasons why I can't nor couldn't stand the ideas nor the portrayals of Hans nor any of his twelve big older brothers as the real, true villainous, antagonistic characters in  4 months ago

Ugh. Aw, man, I still also wanted to see the whole entire past life of Prince Hans himself and all of his twelve big older brothers in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too, especially only just to find out by knowing much more about the whole entire royal family of the Southern Isles, especially including the royal couple of the Southern Isles themselves and mostly Hans himself alongside all of the twelve princely big older brothers themselves. The truth is I don't ever even like the idea portrayal of Prince Hans as a weak villain in the movie nor the show, Once Upon A Time at all either and I never ever even did nor still never ever even do at all because those creators, especially those writers of the movie, Frozen just wanted to an excuse for by giving a reason for Elsa and Anna to become best friends again so far. They also drove a conflict that could be easily be something that would much better for the plot in general. They also gave another excuse for why there was no real, true badass villain nor no other real, true badass villain at all for seventy percent of the whole entire movie, Frozen. Prince Hans would've been better off remaining as the good guy in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too the same way all of his twelve big older brothers deserve to be portrayed as the other good guys instead of bad guys. Hans was kind and brave for crying out loud. It's no wonder there are one of the reasons why the plot twist was annoying so far. In the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time, it would've been better off if Hans was a lot, way, far more developed than ever in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too. That also same goes for all of Hans's twelve big older brothers too. In the show, Once Upon A Time, it especially would've been better if all of Hans's twelve big older brothers were a lot, far more developed than ever too so far mostly in the show, Once Upon A Time too. It's the creators, especially the writers of the movie, Frozen and the show, Once Upon A Time who should've let, told and revealed the reasons why Hans was doing stuff in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too back then before. The other truth is I don't ever even like the idea portrayal of any of his twelve big older brothers as the other weak villains in the show, Once Upon A Time at all either at all and I never ever even did and I still never ever even do. Neither Hans nor any of his twelve big older brothers ever even deserve to be portrayed as villains in the movie, Frozen nor in the show, Once Upon A Time either. Not even Ingrid deserves to be portrayed as the real villain either even though Ingrid's Disney's true titular character adaption of the original Snow Queen fairytale ever since Elsa's different so Elsa's an entirely separate but still Ingrid's another misunderstood but cool snow queen besides only just Elsa for a change. No offense nor no other offense to Elsa nor anything nor anything else. Ingrid still deserves to be a canon character in the movie, Frozen and so does Helga. There are the reasons why the duke of Wesel-ton was a better villain than Hans alongside all of his twelve big older brothers anyway, aren't they?


Any reasons and any other reasons why the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time would've been better off with existent time traveling than without time traveling at all so far anyway 4 months ago

The movie, Frozen and the show, Once Upon A Time would've been better off with time traveling than without time traveling at all. Time traveling deserves to be included in the movie, Frozen and the show, Once Upon A Time like it should've been back then before all it really deserves to be portrayed as the solution for Anna and Gerda too alongside their sisters, Elsa and Ingrid, solution to the tragedy, separation, isolation, loneliness and all the other past sisterly problems. Anna and Gerda would've been better off being portrayed as time travelers in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time and so would Elsa and Ingrid.


Any reasons and any other reasons why I love the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time a lot, far more than ever so far anyway 4 months ago

Elsa's the reason I love the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time a lot, far more than ever. Poor Elsa didn't ever even get enough screen time at all in the movie, Frozen. Just because Elsa's a composite character of Kai himself and the titular original snow queen herself doesn't mean she had to get less screen time. It's no wonder there are reasons why the show, Once Upon A Time's a lot, far better than the original movie, Frozen so far. The deuteragonist, Elsa is this to Anna's protagonist in the flashbacks, just as she was in Frozen. Averted in the present day, due to the fact that Anna has disappeared until Elsa's wish to the star brings back Anna and Kristoff just as they are about to drown. In contrast to Frozen, Elsa is a bit more prominent than her sister throughout the adaptation, primarily due to the fact that Anna is missing throughout the present-day segments until the eve of the curse. In the flashbacks, however, the two share mostly equal spotlight. Ugh. Man, Elsa should've been released from the urn in Story-brooke back then before earlier than ever before the last episode of the third season of Once Upon A Time right after Ingrid frozen the whole entire kingdom of Aren-delle including Anna and Kristoff and she even just had to remove Elsa's memories before . Let's face it. Love hate relationships are permanently annoying and irritating to no end nor no other end at all. We all dislike being stuck under all the whole entire shadows and all the other whole entire shadows of all the love hate relationships and all the other love hate relationships. I just wish neither Elsa nor Anna were ever even isolated together in the kingdom of Aren-delle with each other in the movie, Frozen nor portrayed as sisters nor especially orphaned sisters back then before. I especially don't ever even like the idea of siblings being portrayed as parentless doubled orphaned siblings at all only when it comes to non stop conflicts mostly. I especially wish Elsa was isolated and protected far, farther, further away from Aren-delle, especially far, farther, further away from Anna as far as possible, lived, was raised and grew up in the royal Norwegian ice palace in the movie, Frozen instead of Aren-delle together with Anna ever since after the accident/incident. Elsa would've been better off living, being raised and growing up in the farthest, furthest, safest protective ice palace far, farther, further away from Aren-delle anyway either in Norway or far, farther, further away from Norway, especially far, farther, further away from Anna. Elsa still deserves to know about true love too though. If Elsa had been and was taken far, farther, further away from Aren-delle straight to the Norwegian wizarding world in Norway, especially in the royal Norwegian wizarding ice palace in Norway and wherever else Elsa was still able to do, use, play and have fun with her magic/magical, powerful abilities without anybody nor anybody else around accidentally getting hit by her ice abilities, especially far, farther, further away from Anna, then it would've worked better than ever back then before and then Elsa still would've been able to do, use, play and have fun with her ice magic/magical, powerful abilities without anybody nor anybody else around accidentally getting hit by her ice abilities, especially create any of her own friends and any of her own friends only just to prevent isolation, loneliness, boredom too even though she still deserves to be train on how to control her ice abilities and then Anna still would've been able go play and have fun outside only just to find any other friends, adventures, life experiences, knowledges only just to prevent isolation, loneliness and boredom back then before in the movie, Frozen too. It's actually one of our pet peeves with family movies like Frozen unfortunately. This idea that you have to love a person because they're family. No you don't! That's a bad lesson! Bad families exist and Anna just happens to be one. Man, bad families just had to exist anyway. Olaf's the other reason I love the movie, Frozen a lot, far more than ever too. Marshmallow's the other reason I love the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too. Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time) the other reason I love the show, Once Upon A Time a lot, far more than ever so far. The snow-gies are the reasons I love Frozen Fever.


Any reasons and any other reasons why Ingrid and Helga should've been in the movie, Frozen back then before too besides only just the show, Once Upon A Time so far anyway 4 months ago

Ingrid should've been in the movie, Frozen too back then before, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time. She would've been in the movie, Frozen back then before like she deserves to be so far too. She would've been there for Elsa in the movie, Frozen back then before so Elsa wouldn't have to be lonely nor isolated in the movie, Frozen at all. She also would've been there to meet her own equally, empowered niece, Elsa during Elsa's childbirth in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time back then before too. She mostly would've been there to raise her niece, Elsa in the kingdom of Aren-delle or better yet in the ice palace away from Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too. She would've been there to give Elsa any guidance, any other guidance, any affection and any other affection in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before too. She especially would've been there to train Elsa how to control her ice magic/magical, powerful abilities in the movie, Frozen back then before so Elsa wouldn't have to have anymore trouble nor any other more trouble controlling her abilities at all. I badly wanted to see how Ingrid trained Elsa to control her abilities when Elsa gets upset in the show, Once Upon A Time and I was so disappointed in the writers for not letting us see that. She would've been the snow queen of Aren-delle or better yet, the ice palace in the movie, Frozen even alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too instead of Gerda and even Elsa too. No offense nor no other offense to Elsa nor anything nor anything else. I'll never ever even understand why Ingrid was never ever even in the movie, Frozen back then before. Helga should've been in the movie, Frozen back then before too. Helga would've been in the movie, Frozen too back then before like she deserves to be so far, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time. Helga would've been still alive in the show, Once Upon A Time especially alongside the original movie, Frozen back then before mostly. Helga would've been there for Anna in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too so Anna wouldn't have to be lonely nor isolated at all in the movie, Frozen. Helga would've been there to meet her own niece, Anna during Anna's childbirth in the movie, Frozen too. Helga would've been there to raise Anna in the kingdom of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too. I'll never ever even understand why Helga was never ever even in the movie, Frozen back then before. I'll never ever even forgive the writers of the show, Once Upon A Time for imprisoning Ingrid in the urn nor killing Helga and Ingrid off in the show, Once Upon A Time at all. I'll never ever even forgive the writers of the movie, Frozen for isolating Elsa and Anna in the movie, Frozen without anybody nor anybody else being there for Elsa nor Anna nor killing Kai and Gerda off by making Elsa nor Anna orphaned in the movie, Frozen alongside show, Once Upon A Time either. They all deserve grudges against them for that anyway. Ingrid and Helga's youngest sister, Gerda and their brother in law, Kai would've been kept alive back then before too so Elsa wouldn't have to miss the funeral service. Neither Elsa nor Anna ever even deserve to be lonely nor especially isolated in the movie, Frozen at all. Helga never ever even deserved to be killed off in the show, Once Upon A Time and neither does nor did Ingrid. Neither does Gerda. Neither does Kai. 


Any reasons and any other reasons why I don't like the idea portrayal of Anna and Elsa as related to each other as sisters at all so far anyway 4 months ago

Bottom line is I can't stand the idea portrayal of them as sisters at all either. I especially can't stand it when they don't get along all the time nor all the other time. They should've existed in different Disney films, not the same Disney film together at all. They also should've existed in different canon times/worlds, not the same canon time/world either. They should've been raised in different royal Norwegian kingdoms in Norway too, not the same royal Norwegian kingdom in Norway either. They should've been portrayed as unrelated to each other back then before, not related, especially not as sisters either. They should've been born into different royal Norwegian families back then before, not the same royal Norwegian biological family either. They should've been raised in different countries and even different continents, not the same country nor even the same continent either. I never ever even like the idea of Anna being friendless nor lonely nor isolated without any honest explanations nor any other honest explanations in the movie, Frozen at all. I never ever even like the idea of Elsa being lonely nor isolated in them movie, Frozen at all either so I just wish Elsa was raised in the ice palace wherever she could still do, use, play and have fun with her ice, magic/magical, powerful abilities in the movie, Frozen, especially wherever she finally could become the real badass snow queen of the ice palace and then Anna would've been the queen of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time back then too. It's no wonder I've already trust issues now all because of Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck.


Any reasons and any other reasons why Tangled's and Shrek's better than Frozen so far anyway 4 months ago

Ugh. Man, I can't stand the idea of Anna and Elsa living and being isolated in the same isolation together with each other in the same royal Norwegian kingdom of Aren-delle during their forced separation/estrangement at all because the idea of Anna and Elsa living and being isolated in the same isolation together with each other in the same royal Norwegian kingdom of Aren-delle during the forced separation/estrangement ever since after the accident/incident was the most all time worst nightmare ever so far so Elsa would've been better off being locked away from Aren-delle in another kingdom wherever she could still freely use her ice magical powers, especially make herself any other friends only just to prevent her loneliness anyway just like Fiona (Shrek) was locked away in a tower from Far Far Away because of her ogre form until Shrek and Donkey freed her from the tower. It's no wonder there are reasons why the movie, Shrek's better than the movie, Frozen just like the movie, Tangled. That way, Anna would've been able to move on without Elsa to gain any other friends on her own. Anna mostly would've been the queen of Aren-delle back then before in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time.


What's it like if Princess Anna of Aren-delle was a real badass full fledge horn headed dic-lonius demon with vectors 4 months ago

Man, Anna would've been better off with dic-lonius horns on her head, cool demon powers, especially demonic finger claws, arms/hands vectors and magenta stripes on her skin anyway, am I right or what?


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far anyway 4 months ago

Full fledged Horn Headed Dic-lonius Princess Anna With Vectors


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far anyway 3 days ago 4 months ago

Less Abrasive Anna

Less Selfish Anna

Less Inconsiderate Anna


Any reasons and any other reasons why the idea portrayal role of Ann and Elsa as royal sisters of Aren-delle wasn't a good idea at all but was a bad idea so far anyway 4 months ago

You know, when I first saw the trailer, I thought Elsa was a princess and Anna was a beautiful village girl. They soon become friends until Elsa runs away and Anna meets somebody called Kristoff. That would've made the movie much better than ever.


Any reasons and any other reasons why was it hard to like, tolerate, have sympathy for/sympathize with Anna so far anyway 4 months ago

Anna is a really funny and cute Disney princess. Her lack of understanding the world can be explained by the fact that she's had practically no human interaction to be seen or heard of since she was little. Her quirks are pretty relatable and she does well being an eccentric, weird girl. Unlike Aurora, Cinderella, or any other princess we've seen sleeping, she's not a pretty sleeper. In fact she looks human. She's headstrong but not stupid and she has a great if misguided love duet. She's more relatable than Anna and her unconditional love of her sister is incredibly admirable. Aside from Elsa, she's the only new Disney princess to be featured in ABC's Once Upon a Time.

My main problem with Anna is that, again, she's very overpromoted. Even though her character is great and she's charming, she's everywhere and on everything and therefore I'm tired of seeing her. While her naivety is understandable, it's still annoying. And I'm still confused about why Anna doesn't have friends or isn't allowed out in the world. She doesn't have supernatural powers. Considering how headstrong she is and curious about the outside world, she should have broken out of the castle at least once before her sister's inauguration day.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 3 months ago

The Nordic king, the Nordic queen and the Nordic princess (The Trolden Glas the mythical tale) being in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time.

The Nordic king as the main true villainous, antagonistic character in the movie, Frozen.

The Nordic king being inspired by the original, titular main snow queen herself in the movie, Frozen.

The Nordic king casting a spell on Elsa to make her crueler, more aggressive, more violent and colder towards her family including Anna and their parents than ever in the movie, Frozen.

The Nordic king also casting a spell on Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) to make her crueler, more aggressive, more violent and colder towards her family including Gerda and even Helga (Once Upon A Time) and their parents too in the movie, Frozen even alongside the show, Once Upon A Time

The Nordic king kidnapping Elsa for her ice powers by taking her away from Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen.

The Nordic king also kidnapping Ingrid for her ice powers by stealing her away from Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen.

The Nordic king raising Elsa in his kingdom away from Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen.

The Nordic king also raising Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) in his kingdom away from Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen.

The Nordic king treating Elsa like his daughter ever since his own real daughter's tragic death in the movie, Frozen.

The Nordic king also treating Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) like his other daughter too ever since his own real daughter's tragic death in the movie, Frozen even alongside the show, Once Upon A Time

The Nordic king manipulating Elsa in the movie, Frozen.

The Nordic king also manipulating Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) in the movie, Frozen even alongside Once Upon A Time too.

The Nordic king making Elsa forget all about Anna and their parents in the movie, Frozen.

The Nordic king also making Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) forget all about Gerda, even Helga and their parents in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too.

Anna, Helga and Gerda (Once Upon A Time) going on cool rescue missions, anything and anything else to find to save their sisters, Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) from the Nordic king himself in the movie, Frozen even alongside the show, Once Upon A Time.


Any reasons and any other reasons why Frozen should've more like the original snow queen back then before 3 months ago

Even though Ingrid is an inspiration for the real antagonistic original, titular main snow queen herself. Even though Ingrid is Disney's true titular character adaptation of the original Snow Queen fairytale character ever since Elsa's different so Elsa's an entirely separate character so she's rather a female Kai herself who's inspired by Kai the original male lead character and the original, titular main antagonist of The Snow Queen fairytale by Hans Christian Andersen but I'm glad Elsa wasn't portrayed as a villain though.  Even though Ingrid was most likely inspired by the Snow Queen; the titular character and main antagonist of The Snow Queen fairytale by Hans Christian Anderson. The Nordic King himself from The Trolden Glass the mythical tale would've been inspired by the original, titular main antagonist of The Snow Queen fairytale in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before besides only just Ingrid, especially as the main true antagonist of the movie, Frozen instead of Prince Hans of the Southern Isles himself. He would've been there to cast a spell on Ingrid and Elsa themselves only just to turn them against their normal, muggle, ordinary sisters, even Helga, especially Gerda and mostly Anna too in the movie, Frozen back then before but he also would've been there to kidnap Ingrid and Elsa for their ice powers by stealing Ingrid and Elsa away from Aren-delle only just to adopt them as his daughters ever since after his own real daughter's tragic death back then before in the movie, Frozen. Futhermore, he especially would've been there to treat them like his daughters all because of his own real daughter's tragic death. Besides, he mostly would've been there to raise Ingrid and Elsa in the movie, Frozen back then before. He even would've been there to make Ingrid and Elsa forget all about their normal, muggle, ordinary sisters, even Helga, especially Gerda and Anna too mostly in the movie, Frozen back then before. His wife the Nordic queen and his daughter the Nordic princess from The Trolden Glass would've been in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before, not only just being mentioned in the show, Once Upon A Time. He even would've been there to manipulate Ingrid and Elsa in the movie, Frozen back then before. The origins of Ingrid's alongside Elsa's powers would've been revealed in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before.


Any reasons and any other reasons why Frozen should've more like the original snow queen back then before 3 months ago

Her ice magic abilities are far much stronger and more powerfully effective than her eldest niece, Elsa's are, and is far more experienced; capable of using them more freely without her negative feelings of fright, hopelessness, and anxiety holding her back. No offenses nor no other offenses to Ingrid nor anything nor anything else but it ain't fair to poor Elsa being portrayed as inferior to Ingrid, is it? Nope. However, I still wish Ingrid was in the movie, Frozen back then before, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time. I just wish she was there to meet her niece, Elsa during Elsa's childbirth in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time but I also wish she was there to rasie Elsa in the kingdom of Aren-delle or better yet, in the ice palace/kingdom/castle in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time and I especially wish she was there to train Elsa how to control her ice powers so Elsa wouldn't have any trouble nor any other trouble controlling her powers at all in the movie, Frozen. I mostly wish she was the real snow queen of Arendelle in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before. I wish she was there to give Elsa any comfort, any other comfort, any guidance, any other guidance, any affection and any other affection in the movie, Frozen back then before. I wish Ingrid was there for Elsa in the movie, Frozen back then before so Elsa wouldn't ever even be lonely nor alone nor isolated at all.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a Disney 3 months ago

The Spell of Shattered Sight is a powerful curse that, when cast, will make people see the worst in their loved ones and turn against each other.

Don't get me wrong, the composite character of Kai and the original, titular snow queen herself, Elsa's still the reason I love Frozen but man, Elsa should've been placed under the spell in the movie, Frozen back then before at the beginning of the movie, Frozen just like the original male lead character of the The Snow Queen, Kai was. Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) should've been in the movie, Frozen too back then before, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time. She would've been released by anybody and anybody else in the movie, Frozen or the show, Once Upon A Time back then before. She also would've been told by anybody and anybody else about Elsa also having cool ice powers in movie, Frozen or the show, Once Upon A Time during Elsa's childbirth back then before. Furthermore, Ingrid would've came to take Elsa with her away from from Aren-delle, especially her mother, Gerda (Once Upon A Time) in the movie, Frozen or the show, Once Upon A Time ever since they equally have cool ice powers so far.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 3 months ago

The Spell of Shattered Sight is a powerful curse that, when cast, will make people see the worst in their loved ones and turn against each other.

Don't get me wrong, the composite character of Kai and the original, titular snow queen herself, Elsa's still the reason I love Frozen but man, Elsa should've been placed under the spell in the movie, Frozen back then before at the beginning of the movie, Frozen just like the original male lead character of the The Snow Queen, Kai was. Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) should've been in the movie, Frozen too back then before, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time. She would've been released by anybody and anybody else in the movie, Frozen or the show, Once Upon A Time back then before. She also would've been told by anybody and anybody else about Elsa also having cool ice powers in movie, Frozen or the show, Once Upon A Time during Elsa's childbirth back then before. Furthermore, Ingrid would've came to take Elsa with her away from from Aren-delle, especially her mother, Gerda (Once Upon A Time) in the movie, Frozen or the show, Once Upon A Time ever since they equally have cool ice powers so far.


Any reasons and any other reasons why Ingrid and Helga (Once Upon A Time) should've also been in the movie, Frozen back then before so far anyway too 3 months ago

Dearest darling daughters,

you need to know the truth about

why we went to this voyage.

It wasn't what we told you.

I wish we could be telling you

in person but alas that does not

appear possible. Elsa, Anna, time is running out. I do

not know if your father and I

will ever get back to you

but I need you to know we

were so wrong. We were wrong to

tell Elsa to conceal her powers.

You must know this. I feel terrible.

This happened before and I

cannot let it happen again.

Years ago I made the same

mistake with my sister Ingrid.

She like you had ice powers.

I never told you about my

sisters Helga and Ingrid. They

were beautiful and kind and

Ingrid they they were beautiful [sic]

and kind and wonderful and I[sic]

was fearful and I let that fear

guide me. I made the mistake

of letting Ingrid hide when we

should have celebrated her for

how she was. I loved her so much.

In this crystal are the memory

of my sisters which I stole from

the people of Arendelle.

Please return them. My sisters

deserve to be known. In a

cave in the north valley, you will

find an urn that contains my

sister Ingrid. Please do what I

should have done years ago and

release her. She deserves to

be remembered and more

importantly like you, Elsa and

Anna, she deserves to be loved.

When you see her, please tell her

I love her and that I am sorry. Tell

her I would give anything to take

back what I did, to hold hands with

her just one more time.

All my love, mama.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 3 months ago

Frozen being more original and being less twisted to the original fairytale story of The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen

Less crybaby Anna

No annoying songs (especially not Do You Wanna Build A Snowman nor even Let it Go)

Elsa being under the Nordic king's (The Trolden Glass the mythical tale) spell (Just like the original male lead character, Kai was under the snow queen's spell)

Elsa being kidnapped by the Nordic king (The Trolden Glass the mythical tale) (Just like the original male lead character, Kai was kidnapped by the snow queen.)


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever 3 months ago

Less Cowardly Elsa

Less Overrated Elsa (But she's still the reason I love Frozen though)

Norse mythical tale of The Trolden Glass, in which a king crafted a mirror for his daughter’s upcoming birthday so she could see her own beautiful reflection. Tragically, the girl dies before receiving the gift and thus the mirror begins reflecting the king’s sadness and pain. Deciding that the kingdom should suffer as he is, the king masters dark magic and casts the spell of shattered sight on his kingdom. Influenced by the spell, people begin to see the worst in their loved ones and turn on each other, destroying themselves…

“It’s about a norse king who had a beautiful daughter he loved dearly. He wanted his daughter to be able to see the beauty he saw in her, so he had a mirror made for her birthday. But the day before it, she died, so instead of reflecting her beauty, it reflected the ugliness of his pain and sorrow. He was so devastated, he decided his kingdom should share his pain. So he spent years harnessing dark magic, used it on the mirror, and cast a spell over his entire kingdom. It made his subjects see only the worst in the ones they loved. And they turned on each other, destroying themselves.”


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far and Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far also too as well 3 months ago

Aw man, ever since Elsa's a female Kai herself who's also inspired by the original, titular unnamed/nameless snow queen too, Elsa should've been under the Nordic king's spell in the movie, Frozen back then before, not Anna in the show, Once Upon A Time. Elsa also should've been kidnapped by the Nordic king himself by being taken away from Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen back then before. The Nordic king himself from an old Norse legend called The Trolden Glass even would've been there to adopt Elsa as his daughter in the movie, Frozen ever since his real own daughter's tragic death but he even would've been there to make Elsa forget all about Anna and their parents in the movie, Frozen back then before. He also would've been there to manipulate Elsa back then before in the movie, Frozen.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far and Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far also too as well 3 months ago

King Olaf, Queen Astrid, King Harald, King Magnus, Queen Daphne and Queen Sonja (Once Upon A Time) being inspired by Kai's Grandmother (The original fairytale story, The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen) in the movie, Frozen.


Any reasons and any other reasons why was it hard to like, tolerate and sympathize with Anna so far anyway 3 months ago

Anna is just….annoying. Why is she quirky and upbeat? Wouldn’t being separated from her sister and other children make her anti social? And why doesn’t she have any friends? If the servants were allowed in the castle, they’ve gotta have at least a few kids. But a little off topic.


Any reasons and any other reasons why Elsa deserve more screen time, more scenes, bigger roles and appearances in the movie, Frozen so far anyway 3 months ago

Elsa. Face it, without her, this movie would have been a complete failure. Could you imagine a movie with just Anna, Kristoff, and Hans? Just thinking about it makes me want to laugh and projectile vomit all at once. Remove Elsa from this story, and you are left with the most boring, one-dimensional characters ever. What’s funny is that despite how the movie’s success hinges almost entirely on Elsa’s existence and conflicts, the movie treats her like a secondary character and instead devotes most of its runtime to the less interesting Anna and her shitty shoed-in romance plot.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

The plot is a fucking mess. There’s nothing but loopholes all over the place and it’s such a hackjob. It’s even more rushed than Tangled. At least Tangled had a more concrete theme and shit (dreams). I never understand what the theme is with Frozen.

For starters: the parents are fucking assholes. They didn’t listen to the trolls by helping Elsa control her powers. hey did nothing but help spurn on the fear. And isolating her like a fucking diseased or dangerous animal? WOW WHAT GREEEEAT PARENTING. Not to mention, WHY separate Anna and Elsa? WHY FUCKING KEEP ANNA LOCKED UP TOO? HOW THE HELL DID ELSA GET TRAINED TO BECOME QUEEN?

I don’t feel the sisterly connection between Elsanna after the opening scene. Ever. If you have the Blu-Ray or have looked online, you know that they cut out a scene of Elsa and Anna interacting before the coronation, picking out their dresses. We NEED that. I need to know what their relationship is NOW. Not just when they were little girls. It’s TOO BIG of a fucking gap. I watched the little introduction from Jennifer Lee and the other director and they said that they cut it because they “needed to stay separated until the coronation ball”? UM, REALLY BITCHES? REALLY? THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU?

How the fuck did Elsa get her powers? What are the limits of them? What are the risks? How the hell does she create sentient creatures (Olaf and Marshmallow)? How the hell does she make a dress out of ice crystals without it melting away because of, I DUNNO, BODY HEAT? How the HELL does she build an ICE CASTLE without ever indicating that she’s studied architecture?

I. Hate. Anna. She. Is. A. Shitty. Character. OH WOW, AWKWARD TURTLE. OMG. “I’M SO ORDINARY“ JFC, shut up! I could go on and on about how fucking annoying this girl is and it’s hard to say everything without live-blogging the movie - I’ll do that at some point I think - but the writers try so hard to make her seem like your every day average girl that it just falls flat. Not to mention, how does she go from wanting to just meet people and talk to her sister again during For the First Time in Forever to wanting to meet “the one” in less than a verse? Bitch, you’ve never even interacted with people who aren’t your parents or servants for over 12-13 years. Calm your tits and get some social skills first. The only thing I like about her is her perseverance and her big heart. That’s it.

I ship Hanna, but Hans is a horrible excuse of a villain/antagonist. He has NO clear motive in the beginning. I’m sorry, but a good fairy tale always spells out the villain/antagonist within the earlier moments of the movie (check every single Disney movie aside from like Winnie the Pooh; Gaston and Radcliffe are better fucking villains JFC). And the “SURPRISE” moment is just really badly played out. Why the hell was he put in charge and why did people believe Anna’s word? She’s only  the princess. Where’s the person who ran Arendelle in the three years between the king and queen’s death and Elsa’s coronation? Also, Hans was really fucking dumb for not just kissing Anna. That would’ve taken care of it. BOOM.

I can’t stand Kristoff. End of. All he ever does is belittle Anna (my mom literally just watched the sleigh ride scene and it’s so disgusting how much he’s judging her for her quick engagement with Hans, it’s worse than Robert’s opinion of Giselle and Edward in Enchanted) and push his way into her personal space. I don’t care for the Sven voice shit, but I like Sven enough. Although this “huge animal acting like a dog” trope needs to fucking go. I don’t believe in their love story. I could deal with them being friends, even an Elsa/Kristoff bromance would’ve been cute, but nah.

Olaf, although really fun and has the best lines in the movie, he comes in more than 30 minutes later. There were TOO many characters coming in at shitty points. Yeah, the girls made a regular snow Olaf in the beginning, but that doesn’t count. And he doesn’t feel like a good representation of Elsa and Anna’s love for each other as the fandom tries to pass him off as.

Elsa, Elsa, Elsa. Okay, I’m a fan of her. And I totally get that she’s an empty character as well as a total self-insert character. I accept that and accept that I’m a fan. But I’m sorry, when a character’s only traits are that “she has depression, she has anxiety” then you’ve got problems. What did she do besides have woe is me moments in her room and let her fear overpower her? Why does she look exactly like Anna? She should look much more sunken in around her eyes and her body shape and such should reflect her isolation. I mean, she only ever interacted with her parents and maybe one or two servants. And let’s not forget the fact that she fucking RUNS AWAY the night of her coronation and sings a song about telling everyone fuck you, I’m free. Um, no you ain’t. How you gonna eat? Where you gonna sleep and stay warm (you’re a mammal bitch, you need warmth in the cold)? You fucking covered your own kingdom in a blanket of snow. And when your sister tried to talk shit out with you - let’s also talk about how HORRIBLE and ANNOYING that reprise is, I skip it EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. GDI - you shoot her with ice then you throw her out of her home with a large ice monster meant to basically kill her.

Wow. You’re basically the kind of person who, in this day and age, would kill your sibling and then get pegged as a misunderstood girl by the newscasters. It’s fucking messed up.

The trolls and their song was pointless. Absolutely pointless. “Marry this boy because your cute and we think he’s perfect but he’s actually an asshole!” is basically the premise. What even?

I really don’t understand why Hans took twenty years to slice Elsa in half. Kill her you dumbass and become king by force like you want?

Again with Anna, when she’s trying to get the ice out of her heart and dethaw, all she ever thinks about is “true love’s kiss”. If you’re supposed to be all about your sister even after getting shut out, whyyyyyyyy the fuck are you worried about these two annoying ass boys (cause they ain’t men)? GO FIND YOUR SISTER. STAND BY HER. STOP WORRYING ABOUT A POINTLESS KISS. “Kristoff loves me?” is all she can say. “I have to get Hans to kiss me!” is all she can say. JFC thirsty fucking bitch.

That climax is literally one of the most unsatisfying things I’ve EVER watched in a Disney movie.Sit me through Sword in the Stone, Jungle Book, or Pinocchio (all among my least favorite Disney “classics”) 10 times each before making me suffer through that climax. It’s like one second, Anna sacrifices herself, Elsa’s crying over her frozen body, and then all of a sudden she dethaws and Elsa’s like “love” and the eternal winter is gone. What the fuck? Elsa just literally frozen her sister’s heart and sent a huge ass creature after her like, 15-20 minutes ago. NOW YOU UNDERSTAND LOVE? No build up. The epilogue was just as bad. Not to mention, where was her new dress? Anna got one, Kristoff got a new outfit, where was Elsa’s new dress to reflect her change? Cause that’s a big change. Nope. Nothing.

And in terms of the music, I sing along with them, but a lot of them are just so lackluster. I mean, rock on Bobby Lopez for being the first man of color to win the EGOT and thanks Frozen for finally getting Disney the Best animated Feature Oscar, but you were a horrible movie and I want the Tangled frenzy back. I like Tangled in spite of my ex ruining it for me. At least that movie is a hell of a lot more concrete.

Let’s not even go into how fucked up and annoying as fuck the fandom is. Let us nooooooot.

Any more questions? I could go on with my Frozen rants for daaaaaaaaays. I hate it way more than I like/tolerate it and that’s saying something.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

“I suffer from depression so you think I’d find strength in Elsa. Nope. I didn’t relate to Elsa at all. Not only did her behavior annoy me but I hate how she just gets better because of love. That is not how depression works!”

Love worked for Elsa, it might not work for you or some other people but it worked for her.

You do not get rid of depression because you love someone. That doesn’t work. Ever. Depression doesn’t just disappear because someone loves you.

Elsa is a fictional cartoon so “it worked for her” doesn’t make any sense.

Telling people that love fixes depression is a dangerous message, not just for people with depression but for those that love them.  If you love someone with depression you can support them but you can’t fix them.  It’s setting people up for failure and guilt and self blame.

That wasn’t the point. The point was that Elsa’s condition was worsened by the fact that she had no support and felt compelled to shut herself away from everyone close to her, that she had to hide herself away to protect everyone. She’s not “fixed” at the end because of love (She’s not “fixed” at all, she still has the ice powers.), she feels less lost and alone because her sister is now there supporting and loving her and she’s able to open up to her. And the support and love you get from someone close to you can have a huge impact on how someone reacts to their illness.

I suffer from anxiety and one of the worst parts of it is the feeling that I had to hide it from those closest to me because otherwise I’d be hurting them and the pain that comes from the lack of support. I really connected with Elsa because I connected with that aspect of her character and it made me feel better about who I was and how I shouldn’t have to hide myself away from those I love because if they really loved me they would support me, not berate me. This doesn’t mean that you have to connect with her and take comfort in the story, but don’t completely negate the people that did just because you didn’t. Especially when you’re presenting the story entirely differently from what was intended/what others got out of it. 

My argument isn’t against Elsa, it was about the comment “Love worked for Elsa, it might not work for you or some other people but it worked for her.”  It was about someone simplifying it down to that.

Yes, a support system totally helps.  Knowing people love you can totally help.  But depression, anxiety, bipolar, etc are illnesses.  Love helps people who have cancer and diabetes too.  But it doesn’t cure depression and it doesn’t cure cancer.

I’m not saying no one should identify with Elsa.  Of course people do.  No one should be disparaged for it, just like there’s nothing wrong with not identifying with her.  I thought I would connect more, going into the movie with the knowledge I had.  I found that I didn’t like it at all, but that is me.  It’s also why I make sure to tag anti Frozen so that people who love it or connect to it don’t have to see my comments.

I don’t know how much of your comments are at me and how much are at the OP, but I wasn’t talking about the movie as a whole, only the person’s comments that upset me.

It upsets me too when people argue that Belle is obligated to stay with Rum to ‘fix him’ and in any situation where love is talked about as being a cure for mental illness.  I feel like it perpetuates the idea that depression and other mental disorders aren’t ‘real’ and that if you try hard enough, just get off the couch, love enough, etc you are ‘cured.’

I’m glad Elsa was shown as opening herself up to love (that was always there for her.) I would have liked the movie a lot more if it was only about the sibling’s relationship because the introduction of what’s his face and the reindeer and that romance made me stop caring about the movie.  I totally understand people identifying with Elsa.  And I understand people who don’t.  I was only saying that love isn’t a cure.

This still really surprises me because we’ve seen nothing but people praising them time and time again. I guess they’re not as popular as I thought.

Can I just say that is good Gif usage. Just saying.

But yea kind of a shocker that they only got 3% that is like wow low. Maybe people have moved on.

I think so.

It’s been two years and I think a lot of people are realizing that Anna and Elsa aren’t all that developed. I mean I know some people who like Anna but realize she has some issues and I see more people starting to fall out of love with these two.

I think that means maybe possibly Disney will get a hint and make more developed and memorable princesses next time.

Here’s the thing though.

The people who are responsible for Elsa and Anna’s lack of character development? That lies squarely with Jennifer Lee. While Disney is guilty of milking this movie for all it’s worth, it’s Lee’s fault for not giving Anna or Elsa any depth. The movie is 102 minutes long, there is no excuse for Elsa to be as flat as she is and for Anna to only be ‘quirky.’ 

All the blame goes to Jennifer Lee. It’s fault these two are so bland.

The blame also goes to their fandom. TBH, I won’t hate Elsa as much if her fandom isn’t so terrible.

Sometimes, I wonder: how could Anna be isolated in the castle for all her life, with the only person to talk with being her sister who shuts her out, and only be "just a little quirky and adorkable"? Realistically, she would develop severe social anxiety and would also have some isolation issues. (I know from experience.)

That’s an interesting point. Of course, you could say the same for Rapunzel. They were in the same type of situation, but neither of them turned out to be anything more than, like you said, quirky and adorkable.

What I really don’t understand is why Anna didn’t talk to the servants or play with their kids (all those servants, some of them have to have kids). Is she just that obsessive over her sister? Does she consider it beneath her to casually associate with the castle staff??

Yeah, I don’t know. The whole Anna-can’t-go-outside-the-castle-either situation just makes zero sense.

Another quick question: why doesn’t Anna stay in Arendelle?

It’s her home, I get that but it seems like up until the events of Frozen, she had nothing keeping her there. Her sister ignored her and her parents were obviously abusive so why did she never try to leave?

Another question: Why doesn’t Anna try to make any friend? 

Anna has tons of maids while Cinderella & Rapunzel doesn’t have anyone & they befriend with animals.


Any reasons and any other reasons why any other movies deserve to be tied with Frozen so far anyway 3 months ago

Olaf has more merch than Tiana does but Tiana needs more merchandise too.

Olaf has 35 pieces of merchandise. Tiana only has 7 pieces but she needs more merchandise. 

That’s right. The fucking stupid snowman from Frozen who isn’t even the main focus has more merch than the first African-American princess.  Now someone explain to me how is this fair?

And let me tell you its really freaking hard to find Tiana merchandise. It’s like searching for a needle in a haystack.  No, it’s not that. It’s like you’ve laid in a haystack field and you don’t know which haystack you have to search through for your needle. It’s that hard.


Any reasons and any other reasons why any other movies deserve to be tied with Frozen so far anyway 3 months ago

“Anna’s clumsiness, awkwardness, and honesty.”

Yeah, four words: Manic Pixie Dream Girl

Seriously. All Disney’s done is trade one limiting trope for another.

Also, “until Brave, the idea of an outspoken princess is unheard of.” Really??? How about Belle from Beauty and the Beast, who managed to be outspoken and didn’t sound like an idiot half the time while doing it?


Any reasons and any other reasons why was it hard to like, tolerate and sympathize with Anna so far anyway 3 months ago

U Like the other anon said in the parody, Anna does have the IQ of a cow. I hate her. She acts like a frigging diphthong most of the movie, and honestly I was so happy when she froze. I laughed a little.

Anna did lots of stupid thing in the movie but she at least has a character & she saved her sister, I don’t hate Anna but I don’t feel sorry for her when she’s dead, maybe because I knew she would come back alive or I just have a Frozen Heart *evil laugh*.

BTW, I’m tired of the “quirky, clumsy=cute” type of Disney princesses, even Elsa’s quirky in the Frozen Fever short, i know she’s drunk, but COME ON!. I hope our next princess-Moana would escape from this character trope.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

Honestly, I would LOVE for the creators to explain how Elsa even has ice powers in the first place. It felt very unrealistic without any sort of explanation to why and how she can make magic with ice. It made absolutely no sense to me like at all. I think they could've had a part at the beginning or somewhere in the middle that shows how she got them, but no. Somehow they're just there and it feels strange.

I know my friend, Disney could have made The Frozen Heart be the song explains about Elsa’s ice power instead of a song about cutting ice.


Any reasons and any other reasons why Elsa deserve more screen time, more scenes, bigger roles and appearances in the movie, Frozen so far anyway 3 months ago

Why do I get the feeling that people is going to constantly going to compare Moana to Elsa? God forbid she get’s a love interest and the millions of posts about how Moana is a “set back” just because she haves a boyfriend or whatever. I really hope Moana stands on her own and not be compared to a bland character.  

She could also be perfectly strong with a love interest, but from the sound of the story she doesn’t get one anyway.

Well, at least that means she won’t be negatively compared to Elsa because “Elsa doesn’t need a man”. 

Elsa never sought out a man and marriage was never apart of her story so I don’t understand why so many fans make a big deal about that

Elsa fans can’t tell the difference between “doesn’t have a man” & “doesn’t need a man”.

What’s funny is that when they compare anyone to Elsa, they prove that they have no clue what even is a Disney cliche and what’s not. Frozen falls right into it the same way ever other movie has. 

Who doesn’t have a love interest in Frozen? Elsa.

Who also doesn’t have that much screentime in the film despite being prominent in posters and promotional artwork? Elsa.

Who is the antagonist of the film? Elsa. 

At no point do I recall any Disney film making their antagonist part of a couple. At most, they have someone they pursue, but their status as adversaries to the plot make that love unattainable. They’re single until they’re sufficiently rehabilitated, usually in the next film and even then it’s to a different character than the one they were following. Unless the antagonist/villain died, which still proves the point that they’re too bad to be loved.

To compare, who does have a love interest in Frozen? Anna. (She has two! And they’re both the guys with a lot of screentime!)

Who has the most screentime? Anna.

Who is the protagonist of the film? Anna.

As we know, the main girl always gets the main guy. This is typical Disney. Frozen subverts nothing about that. 

It’s ironic that everyone seems to forget that Anna is really the main focus on the movie and she is the one who almost marries Hans after knowing for a day. When Hans asked her to marry him, she said yes in a heartbeat and then gets all confused when Elsa says no to the marriage.

Honestly, do people forget that the reason Frozen happens is because of this trope?!


Any reasons and any other reasons why any other movies deserve to be tied with Frozen so far anyway 3 months ago

I mean, I’m all for people finding inspiration where they can, but it’s very telling how much energy Disney Fandom/Frozen Fandom/Disney themselves put into spinning Elsa and Anna’s narrative into something it honestly wasn’t when the original Snow Queen tale is at least a thousand times more progressive for women and was written centuries ago. Think about that for a moment. They took the original story, full of strong female characters and people of color, watered it down, and then were able to get people to believe that it’s so progressive and so feminist (debatable at best, depending on your definition of the term) they give it credit for things other films within the same company and franchise have already done, and better.

Meanwhile, characters like Merida, Tiana, Mulan, and Jasmine exist, telling stories MUCH more progressive in terms of roles and rights for women, on autonomy and self-definition.

It’s just really transparent why this particular film seems to reach certain people when others don’t. An aside; this is one of my biggest issues with Tangled as well.

-Ren

At best, Frozen is feminist-friendly.

-pink

People think Elsa is the most feminist Disney female character because she has god-like power & she doesn’t have a man.


Any reasons and any other reasons why any other movies deserve to be tied with Frozen so far anyway 3 months ago

I mean, I’m all for people finding inspiration where they can, but it’s very telling how much energy Disney Fandom/Frozen Fandom/Disney themselves put into spinning Elsa and Anna’s narrative into something it honestly wasn’t when the original Snow Queen tale is at least a thousand times more progressive for women and was written centuries ago. Think about that for a moment. They took the original story, full of strong female characters and people of color, watered it down, and then were able to get people to believe that it’s so progressive and so feminist (debatable at best, depending on your definition of the term) they give it credit for things other films within the same company and franchise have already done, and better.

Meanwhile, characters like Merida, Tiana, Mulan, and Jasmine exist, telling stories MUCH more progressive in terms of roles and rights for women, on autonomy and self-definition.

It’s just really transparent why this particular film seems to reach certain people when others don’t. An aside; this is one of my biggest issues with Tangled as well.

-Ren

At best, Frozen is feminist-friendly.

-pink

People think Elsa is the most feminist Disney female character because she has god-like power & she doesn’t have a man.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

Frozen being more progressive than ever just like The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen


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I think it’s simply because he tricked us. Gaston and Frollo may as well have had neon signs over their heads saying VILLAIN from the moment they showed up onscreen. But Hans…he didn’t just woo Anna. He wooed the audience. And that made it painfully real. Because everyone has known someone who wasn’t as kind as they initially believed. So many people have had Hanses of their own, and they compare Hans to the person who hurt them. And seeing someone sympathize with the one who hurt you is just painful. So, seeing people loving Hans probably makes them feel like they’re praising their abusers. I doubt a lot of people have met someone like Gaston and Frollo. What they forget is that Hans isn’t a real person, and that he never hurt them. He’s fictional, and far worse villains have existed, and had larger fanbases (Loki, anyone?) Hans is simply a victim of being a painfully real villain in a fictional world where villains are supposed to be obvious and over-the-top. His lack of obvious evilness makes him seem more evil than even the most murderous villains, at least in some people’s minds.

That’s probably it but it still doesn’t warrant the harassment fans of Hans get. It’s downright disgusting.

You can say that again…

Never have words been more true about a fandom

As someone who is no longer in the Frozen fandom, there are times where I want to go back but I can’t because of the harassment the fandom keeps on perpetuating. I also don’t blame the Hans fandom for breaking off and making their own fandom.

That’s because Hans wants to kill people’s precious Elsa.


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The snow queen in “barbie and the pink shoes” is a better and more accuarate snow queen than Elsa.

I’m not even exaggerating look

and the worst part is that this movie isn’t even based on the story of The Snow Queen and IT STILL HAS A BETTER SNOW QUEEN THAN ELSA, WHO WAS IN A MOVIE THATS SUPPOSED TO BE AN ADAPTATION OF THE FUCKING STORY

The worst part? in a point of her development, Elsa was going to be The Snow Queen instead:

And dang, even when she wasn’t going to be The Snow Queen, just Elsa, she looked one hundred times more accurate:

And it pisses me off how they leaved such a great project and gave us the piece of shit that Frozen is now.

Again, never going to get over this.

We could have had such a fantastic movie but we got Rapunzel on Ice


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U yo ok real talk, another thing that annoys me about the parents that noone talk about: the fact that they know about elsa's powers (they show 0 surprise at it and when asked they say she was born with it) yet they do nothing? they just fart about waiting for someone to get hurt so they can do something instead of, oh i don't know, teacher her as she's growing up to control it? like that's what any decent parent would do w/ a kid who has a disability as the movie likes to portray it as.

The parents in the original Frozen plot aka the evil Elsa ver are great parents & they take good care of Elsa. But Disney wants to turn Elsa to a poor/innocent/misunderstood girl who suffers from “mental illness” so…  


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I think the problem is that Disney just doesn't seem to realize they're their own worst enemy. What is going to happen when Frozen is no longer popular?

They will just make another safe movie with catchy OST & sparkly animation then milk the shit out of it.


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“ Frozen’s a children’s animated movie, so it doesn’t matter if there’s plot-holes and things, I mean kids just love bright flashy lights and pretty dresses and speaking snowmen, they don’t need anything deep, complexed or intelligent !   ”

  “ Hans fans are sick and disturbing people and they need help, same with the anti-frozen people. Twisted people. * Sends Anon Hate *  ”

“ It’s perfectly fine and alright that Elsa’s depression was cured out of thin air, I mean it’s a children’s movie !  ”

“ If you don’t love Frozen there’s something wrong with you, and you are being terrible towards children. They love this movie. How dare you.  ”

“ Walt’s Original Three are idiotic, useless, and stupid girls with no strength and no personality and they just need a man to save them.  ”

“ Elsa is a strong feminist character and a strong lead female because she has no man. I mean with you have a relationship with a man, everybody knows that makes you a disgrace to female rights and you are completely weak. Elsa’s not that !  ”

“ Elsa was locked in her room for most of her life, which is symbolism for being gay, Elsa is Disney’s first lesbian Disney Princess ! Good job Disney, I see what you did there  ” !

“ Anna’s better than all the other disney princesses because she wants more than just a man, all of the other princesses just wanted a man. Gross.  ”

“ Fixer- Upper is a cute, adorable song, when will people stop hating on it ? It’s 2015. It’s just a cute song about family and how nobody’s perfect and really, it’s about Elsa, it’s not really about pushing Anna with a stranger and forcing her to marry him. Plus it’s a joke ? Get over it.”  

“ Elsa didn’t mean to murder the duke’s guards ! That was just self-defense !  ” 

    “ There’s nothing wrong with Kristoff belittling Anna and treating her like she’s brainless because she doesn’t have the outside, mountain climbing knowledge that he does. There’s nothing wrong with Kristoff treating her like Anna’s a lesser human being. REAL couples bicker and fight ! REAL couples argue. It just makes their relationship REAL !   ”

‘ You don’t like Elsa, well there must be something wrong with you. You need to see a therapist.  ”

“ Anti- Frozen people are just a bunch of idiotic sjws who complain at anything, I bet you anything that they even think that the sky is sexist because it’s blue. They’re also a bunch of Disney haters who think that the company is demonic, and kiss up to Dreamworks and believe that Dreamworks does nothing wrong, lol.  ”


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Lol that’s kinda a loaded question. It’s like asking ‘why isn’t obama white?’. 

The real question is “why is frozen feminist?” Because honestly, what do people see in this movie that could possibly dub it as feminist? 

Frozen doesn’t do anything we haven’t seen before, and even then it does everything horribly. Portrayal of mental illness is weak. Elsa is the least empowering character I can think of. Anna isn’t strong or brave like the fandom claims. The only thing that might be considered feminist is the fact Kristoff asked for consent before kissing Anna. But I take that seriously considering he was a sexist pig for the majority of the film. 

Everything about this movie reeks of faux/radical feminism. Much like Legend of Korra. 

I would recommend feministdisney’s attitude of refusing to call a whole movie “feminist”. A movie can have feminist elements, but as a whole it’s better to call it “feminist-friendly”. The adjective “feminist” refers more to a person’s attitude and views more than anything else; so it shouldn’t be applied to a complex work of art that is a movie. Art itself does not have opinions, after all, the artists do.

Back on the subject though, even if we rephrase the question into “Is Frozen feminist-friendly?”, the answer would AT BEST be “It’s feminist-neutral”. Cause for every potentially progressive aspect, there’s at least one other that is problematic:

▪ pro: Gave us two female protagonists.

▪ con: Scrapped tons of female characters that were in the original story. There are no other significant female characters in the whole movie other than Elsa and Anna.

▪ pro: Story about sisters.

▪ con: Sisterhood is handled very poorly. We are given no reason to believe those two still love each other after years of separation.

▪ pro: Passes the Bechdel test.

▪ con: Any female character with a line who isn’t Anna or Elsa does not pass (and there are like two minor female characters… with one or two lines of dialogue each).

▪ pro: Plot hints on the issues of the mentally ill.

▪ con: Is super disrespectful about that, cures Elsa of all of her problems with no effort at the end.

▪ pro: Subverts the love at first sight trope.

▪ con: Only to make Anna end up with another dude she just met.

▪ pro: Kristoff asks Anna before kissing her.

▪ con: He’s a total asshole to her throughout most of the story.

▪ pro: Elsa has no love interest or romance plot.

▪ con: Elsa is easily the most one-dimensional character in the whole cast, more of a walking plot device than a well-rounded person.

And so on and so forth… To summarize, depending on who you ask, Frozen should either count as no more feminist than any other contemporary Disney princess story or just not feminist at all.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

Watch the entire “Let It Go” scene from Frozen featuring Idina Menzel performing as Elsa.

If you don’t wanna go see Frozen, this is the best 3:39 of the movie (except the short that plays beforehand). What a jam.

goosebumps every time!

Oh god Sarah you are so right

This character is basically Elphaba and Let it Go = No Good Deed

Biggest difference? Idina’s voice does not match this character or it’s expressions.

A voice so strong was not meant for a character so cotton candy soft. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DIDN’T MAKE HER EMOTIONAL RANGE LARGE ENOUGH TO MATCH THE INTENSITY OF THE MUSIC??? The song is good, yeah. But the energy in the scene from this character design makes me cringe. It’s fucking Rapunzel trying to sing a song from Wicked fucking fuck what.

This was really lazy, Disney.

Elsa is an Elphaba copy

Elsaba

i think the big problem with the emotional range is the fact that they literally went out of their way to not make her face contort with the emotional waves of the song, because they wanted to make her stay “pretty”. if you watch Idina Menzel sing, well, pretty much anything, but especially her songs from Wicked, she is EMOTING. she is earnestly performing ev-ry sing-le syll-a-ble. she’s not “attractive” when she does it, but that doesn’t matter, because you’re not looking at her for her face, you’re looking for the feeling.

if you watch the video, the song kills, but the disconnect comes from the fact that elsa isn’t emoting. and this goes right along with all the problems of the production. it’s quite obvious the animators don’t care enough, because you have this intense song being sung by this powerhouse of a performer, and they aren’t trying to make the match; it’s all halfhearted.

and elsa, if you ask me, is a poor-man’s elphaba, because she’s not emoting. when i listen to wicked, i respond, because i hear the emotions and i remember seeing how it was performed; i cried during defying gravity because of the performance. when i watch elsa, i can see menzel in my mind’s eye performing it in the recording booth, and the difference between the two is jarring.

toni is always better at saying what I want to say so reblogging again

and you know what? It’s sad when the most emotional part of the song happens when you can’t see the character’s face:

THAT STOMP WAS THE MOST EXCITING PART OF THE WHOLE SCENE WHEN THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN:

SHE IS LIFTING A GODDAMN SHOW PALACE

THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FUCKING COOL

LOOK AT HER. AND LISTEN TO THE MUSIC. AND CRINGE AT THE UNCOMFORTABLE DISPLACEMENT OF IT ALL WITH ME

“when i watch elsa, i can see menzel in my mind’s eye performing it in the recording booth, and the difference between the two is jarring.”

Y E S

((also this was the only song scene in the movie that actually made me feel anything….and now that I see it out of context it’s really mediocre, but compared to everything else, it was amazing and I called it “phenomenal” in my liveblog @_@))

The last shot is particularly guilty. Her weird bedroom eyed sexy face seemed kinda outta place.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

Frozen being less of a wasted potential

Great concept not being taken

More developed characters and less underdeveloped characters

Designs being less lazy


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

Frozen being less of the weakest of the Disney Renaissance movie.

I wish Anna was portrayed to be less isolated back then before in the movie, Frozen if only anybody was there to take Elsa away from Aren-delle, especially from her. That way. Neither Anna nor Elsa would have to be stuck living nor isolated in the same isolation in the kingdom of Aren-delle with each other at all.


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Less Lame Elsa

Less Bland Elsa

Less Boring Elsa

Elsa's depression being shown in the movie, Frozen

Not bringing shame into the original fairytale story of The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen

The Real Snow Queen adaption


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

If anybody and anybody else has the right to feel isolated, it's Rapunzel, screw Anna but Elsa would've been better off being taken away from Aren-delle back then before in the movie, Frozen. The Nordic king would've been there to kidnap Elsa for her ice powers

Less poorly structured

More answered questions

Elsa's character being less horribly written and less rushed in the movie, Frozen.

Elsa's character being more likable than ever

Less bland, less overcooked excuse of a movie


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

What Frozen taught us:

ozziescribbler:

▪ Wiping a kid’s memory of a life-altering accident is totally a right thing to do! Why would you want a child to learn from their experience anyway?

▪ Locking away your other traumatized child and hoping she gets better by herself is totally not parental abuse.

▪ An orphan kid can hang around people with dangerous job unsupervised.

▪ When said kid wanders off and goes missing, no-one has to look for them. 

▪ If you have no friends and no interests beyond harassing your sister, you’re gonna grow up fine, just a little bit awkward and adorably quirky.

▪ A kingdom with underage successors to the throne governs itself, unless the plot says otherwise.

▪ Regency is not a thing.

▪ The last heir left in line to the throne is totally free to leave the kingdom and personally look for their runaway older sibling instead of staying home and securing the royal line.

▪ Said last successor to the crown can somehow leave the kingdom in hands of a random foreigner guy.

▪ Regency is still not a thing.

▪ Running away from your royal responsibilities makes you cool and inspiring, as long as you sing a song about it.

▪ Ice-control powers can create life from scratch.

▪ If your son brings a woman home for the first time, you force her on him as a potential wife.

▪ Forcing them on each other is prior even to saving said woman from dying right in front of you.

▪ It doesn’t matter what either or them thinks about it and if she has a different partner already.

▪ You can be a day-old magical snowman who doesn’t know what heat is, but you have better understanding of love than grown-up humans.

▪ When a random foreigner guy says the last successor to the throne has died and left the kingdom to him, it is not necessary to check the corpse and require any evidence from him.

▪ Regency is STILL not a thing.

▪ Vaguely-defined “love” instantly cures life-long depression and anxiety.

Feel free to add o the list!


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

I hate how people make excuses for Disney but the one that bothers me the most is this.

“But it’s historically accurate! They can’t have POC!”

NO!

Okay, first of all do you see this outfit Elsa is wearing?

This dress is like a designer couture dress! Are you trying to tell me that this dress would fly back in the 1800’s? I highly doubt it!

While Denmark was mostly white, there is historical evidence that proves that there were in fact black people in Denmark back in the day. Not only that but Kay from the fairy tale was described has having dark skin. And I quote: “She pushed one of the red leaves aside, and saw a little brown neck. Oh, that must be Kay!”

The same for the little robber girl, an important female character that is left out of the movie. Again, I quote: “The little robber-girl was about the same size as Gerda, but stronger; she had broader shoulders and a darker skin; her eyes were quite black, and she had a mournful look. She clasped little Gerda round the waist, and said,—”

Also, Disney has never cared about historical accuracy ever. Did you guys forget Pocahontas? Disney changed her history and age just so they could make her have a hot, steamy romance with John Smith and also so they could make the white men look like the good guys. For real, you’re going to try to tell me that Disney suddenly cares about historically accuracy?

And like I have stated countless times, Arendelle is not a real place. It’s a fictional land that is filled with trolls and a woman with white hair who has ice powers. Do not tell me that POC would have been too hard to add.

Now please stop using the argument of historical accuracy because when you do, you are derailing the topic at hand.


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Elsa had control over her powers. She hit Anna in the head on accident but not because she lost control.

The trolls terrifying a little girl (and her parents) and telling her to get control of her magic when she already had, was not only terrible advice, it was pointless terrible advice.

Elsa was feeling guilty over harming Anna. The trolls added to this by putting the idea in her head that she had no control over her powers and that people would hurt her if she didn’t get it under wraps, and I’m supposed to believe these trolls are wise?

Most people tend to heap the blame on Elsa’s parents, and sure, their misguided attempts to help her were more harmful than good but the trolls made no effort to reassure them and their “advice” was little more than scare tactics.

Also there is little or no justification for the parents’ fear of Elsa’s powers. Sure it’s ice magic and ice can seriously hurt if not kill but if this is a world where magic users (and magic creatures) exist, why is Elsa’s magic such a horrible thing to have?

Are magic users shunned in this world? If so why? Did a powerful magic user once dominate the world with their magic and since their defeat others with magic are feared? Did a magic user in Arendelle’s history do something horrible and as such magic in general became feared? Why?

I really don’t give a shit about supposed analogies to real world problems such as depression or anxiety. This stuff exists in a context. If you can’t come up with in universe explanations to give your movie it’s own internal logical consistency, then it’s not going to make any fucking sense. Real world analogies are not a goddamn substitute for shitty world building.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

One thing that kind of threw me off in Frozen was Olaf. There was so much potential for him to be more than a comical relief side-kick, especially considering what he symbolized. Another thing that threw me off was how Anna never got upset of frustrated with her sister, and never doubted this “sisterly” thing that she wanted so much. I find it hard to believe that Anna’s love never faltered. I have this alternate plot in my head, where after Elsa froze Anna’s heart, Anna starts talking to Olaf about why Elsa shut her out again, and then, as she is looking at Olaf, Anna’s memories of Elsa hurting her when they were children are triggered, and Anna realizes why Elsa shut her out. She sympathizes for her sister, but at the same time, it pains Anna to know that Elsa has hurt her before, and she begins to question if the relationship she wants with Elsa is even worth it, if all Elsa is going to do is hurt her.  After Hans leaves Anna to kill Elsa, Anna thinks about Elsa again, and realizes that unconditional love includes forgiveness, and forgiveness is what drives her to save her sister. Not only does Anna at least deal with some kind of internal struggle, but Olaf is a bit more…”useful” in the plot. Sorry, this was kind of long. I have a lot more alternate plot ideas, but I don’t want to clog things up for you. :)

Another thing is how does Olaf understand love?

Olaf hasn’t been alive for more than a day but he has a concept of summer, time and love? That makes no sense.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

I hate it too. Honestly I hate it when anyone puts down any of the princesses to build up the any of the others. What’s the point? They all have strengths and weaknesses, including Elsa and Anna. Not having or needing a man does not automatically make one a feminist/feminist icon. Elsa’s story had nothing to do with needing a man, so it doesn’t make sense to praise her in this way.  Merida and Tiana are much better feminist icons in this sense. Merida refused to give up her freedom for a marriage she wasn’t ready for nor wanted and Tiana, though she did end up with Naveen in the end, wasn’t even concerned with guys until the end when she realized she loved him; otherwise, she just wanted her restaurant.

About Ariel, I think the reason she gets so much shit is because it’s really easy to see her story as “I gave up my voice for a man” when in reality, I don’t think that’s the case. 

A lot of people seem to forget that Ariel didn’t start off wanting Eric. Like you said, she already stated that she wanted to walk among humans in “Part of Your World” before she first saw him. I think it’s entirely plausible that she might have gone to find a way to become a human even if she hadn’t seen him at all.

Notice that most of the time Ariel was human, she was fascinated by all the human things and activities, and not just Eric. From what I remember, nothing romantic even happened until “Kiss the Girl”. 

One last important thing is that the movie’s primary relationship is between Ariel and Triton. Remember how the last line the movie is “I love you, Daddy”? Not to mention his angry outburst in the grotto is in my opinion what really drives Ariel to Ursula. It’s only when her spirit is broken by her father that she goes with Flotsam and Jetsam to the witch’s lair. And once she’s there, she still thinks about how she’ll never see her family again (and, logically, never be reconciled with her father) if she becomes human. So it’s not like Eric was always at the forefront of Ariel’s mind anyway.

Here’s an interesting little post comparing the feminist-friendliness of Frozen and TLM.

It’s really sexist when people put down the other princesses, saying that Elsa is feminist solely because she didn’t have a men. Not only does that idea make no sense but Elsa never looked for love nor does her story arc revolve around that. They also seem to forget that Elsa runs away from her problems and after Let It Go, she doesn’t do anything of merit. 

Elsa has the chance to be a feminist character but her potential was squandered. She does nothing and offers us nothing. Ariel, while having problems, managed to save her man twice and also was one of the first Disney princesses to go after something. And as stated, there is nothing wrong with having a man because that doesn’t make you less feminist. That idea is extremely backwards and just down right stupid. It´s the easiest way out to make Elsa a feminist icon when in the end, she is just a coward with an undeveloped story. She never truly did anything by herself. Secured by her parents from young age for being extraordinary and having supernatural powers, she was protected from harm there but she also never learned to to control her powers, hence, her father literally said “Conceal it” She never was allowed to learn to control it. And right from the beginning of the movie, after her coronation, she does nothing but run away. If you look at it in a critical way, Elsa promotes “Oh, you have problems with other people? They misunderstand you? No prob, just run away and don´t give two fucks about those you left behind”. Hence, even when Anna showed up in her self-choosen ice-exile, she refused to face the problem that SHE was the cause for (namely the eternal winter in Arendelle) and rather stayed back and left Anna do deal with all of it. If Hans hadn´t dragged her ass back to Arendelle, there would be no Frozen Fever and Frozen 2 in the making, because Elsa would still hide in her ice castle and Arendelle would probably be void of life because of the cold. tbh. as a huge Disney fan and an ex Frozen-fan I have a pretty unbiased opinion but Frozen is just THAT badly developed. It had much potential and all was messed up. And truly, if anyone ever wants to see any kind of Disney movie as feminist, then pls….it´s Merida´s movie, because she right out refused to marry and Disney also refrained from introducing any love interest for her.

You can actually see many hints of feminism in Disney movies. People just love to act like Frozen is the first movie to do anything… Because if you take away the “Frozen is the first to….” argument, there is not much good left to balance all the bad things.

The little mermaid, as stated above by others hints feminism.

But I also think that Belle is a feminist example. She was sick of her normal village-girl life. Compared to other women back then who were out to find a man, marry and have the man´s kids (as depicted by the three blonde Gaston fangirls), Belle was curious about books, loved to read and helped her father with his inventions, which was, as shown in the movie, was a curious and bad thing for a woman. Hello? She even sings about “wanting more than this provincial life”. But I might be biased, because Belle is a lot like me and I love Beauty and the Beast as a movie.

I also think that side characters like Zira from Simba´s pride, hint to feminism. I mean, Zira is leading her own pride of lions as a lioness and she is, although a villain and dying at the end, depicted as a strong character. But that just might be my opinion because I have a thing for many Disney villains.

And of course let´s not forget about Tiana. Idek when people started to think that feminism equals not needing a man. Feminism is about women being equal to men and not having less rights than them, which is perfectly shown in Princess and the frog, where Tiana, as a young girl in good old America, is working to fulfill her dream of having her own restaurant and basically she does get laughed at my men for it. You must´ve some historical knowlegde to realize how bad conditions back in Tiana´s time were. Especially for women. Especially for women of colour and then you realize what a hero Tiana is.

But of course the white haired coward who draws away from her duties as a queen, endangering her whole land with her uncontrolled powers is the best example for being a feminist, for getting through depression and shit. Seriously. NO.


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Really, the trolls should’ve been the main villian/s of Frozen. Elsa was completely fine and alright with her powers, and could control them with ease. It wasn’t until the trolls manipulated Elsa and her parents that Elsa had no control of powers, that everything went to complete shit. Not to mention traumatizing a seven year old girl ?

The trolls where the ones who created break the evil mirror in the original story and while the mirror was originally evil, they teased and broke the mirror, affecting people, and damaging people and ruining people’s lifes.

Trolls are tricky, sneaky and manipulative.

It would of made so much more sense to have the Troll Elder and his troll tribe as the main villains, who want to do nothing but cause ruin and chaos, just for shits and giggles. The Elder seeing Elsa as the perfect victim to cause ruin, and maybe desiring the destruction and crumble of Arendelle and the Arendelle kingdom, just to cause misery for a good sick laugh. 

Then the Elder saying to Elsa that she did originally know how to control her powers and be around her sister happily, and had good times with her, but her naive parents trusted him as a wise magical expert elder when he created  the evil mirror- the worlds evil- hate, jealously, anger, violence in people’s hearts. And just watches her crumble in tears, and just taking pleasure in it. Because he completely ruined Elsa’s life and her confidence to be around Anna, and use her powers without any fear. 

But instead the trolls are badly written, copy and paste green smurfs, that sing one of the worst musical numbers in Disney history, and are bad toilet humor comic relief, that gives out terrible advice to people, and yet the movie keeps on hammering into the viewer what excellent love experts they are. Olaf did better, and he’s a three day old snowman.

Not only that but it would make more sense for Kristoff to be with the trolls. I mean think about it: the trolls practically kidnap Kristoff. So if they were evil, it would make more sense for them to be evil. They steal a child from their home for their own selfish gain. That would be a million times more interesting and also make more sense.

Also, there is no reason for the trolls to help the king. I mean, how do they even know he’s the king? Why are they helping him? He’s a human and they are trolls. It doesn’t make a lot of sense for these magical beings to help the king unless they get something in return.

Honestly, the trolls are the most pointless charecters in the whole movie. They offer nothing, their personalities are terrible and their song brought the movie to a screeching halt. I mean Anna was dying! Why have some random ass song? It makes no sense!

The more I read this, the more I like the idea of the trolls being the villains. The only one who really seemed to have any idea what he was doing was Pabbie (sp?). 

Imagine, for instance, that when the king came to them for help, he had to do something in return. He owed them a favour, and that hung over his head for the rest of his life. I mean, how can you pay back magical creatures for helping your child? 

That fits perfectly with the troll leader Pabbie in terms of what Frozen’s story could’ve been, forcing the king to make a deal to save Anna’s life. It would’ve alluded to how the trolls = the devil in the original Snow Queen story. The trolls had always been set up to be the ultimate villains in the source material that Frozen was supposed to be based on. Having scary manipulative trolls with dark magic that regular humans can’t defend against would’ve been more intriguing and memorable if Disney’s trolls were taken more seriously. 

Like you could still have the manipulation masked by good intent (like Hans) yet actually have a character who plays a genuine purpose in affecting both Elsa and Anna’s entire lives instead of for only a couple of days. There would’ve been a build-up.

The only main reason why Hans is the main villian though, is because they wanted to bash the Cinderella trope into the ground, and say to the viewers that Disney has changed and we don’t do hurricane, whirlwind love stories anymore. Basically scream it out loud, hence the scene to where Kristoff is belittling Anna’s choices to marry Hans so damn fast, when they have only known each other for a few hours. While it’s a good thing and message for Disney to do, that quick marriages when you are basically marrying a stranger can become very dangerous, the heart was never in the right place. Hans was just a plot-twist to surprise the audience. Hans was just used, so Disney could scream out to everybody watching ” We don’t do that anymore, we are 2013 ” ! And to surprise people near the end of the film. The Duke was supposed to be Regent Louie, yes the person who ruled the kingdom when the parents died, answering so many storyline confusions, though because Disney wanted to basically say ” We are cool now ” ! Louie became a red herring, for Hans, and Hans the navy officer became a written dumb mess,

They could’ve worked on making the story make sense and follow well, with something like the creepy demon trolls, but they didn’t, unfortunately. Disney would rather try and look deep and impress and break Disney tropes, that doesn’t even exist. The only princesses to have a quick marriage are Cinderella, Ariel and Aurora. Aurora was a forced royal engagement. .

Hans was better being that dorky, but serious when things got serious character IMHO.. 

I heard that Hans was originally supposed to get cursed in the heart by Elsa. Though the trolls cursing him, and using his rough childhood and family neglect to control him, so their Kristoff their spy, could get closer to Anna, could of been great. Fixer Upper could’ve been their manipulation and villian song, just change a few lines and the remove the cheerful tune of the song. Though instead of Anna falling into Kristoff’s arms like a typical cliche romance, Kristoff stands up to them and stops their bs. Redeeming and saving Anna, and going back to save Elsa and Hans from them. Showing more character development for Kristoff than just ” I caught you from falling and I love you now ” ! Showing and explaining Hans’ backstory and childhood to the audience,  and them heading back to the the troll tribe doesn’t feel like a huge waste. 

I just feel like if they changed the villian from Hans to the trolls, they could of fixed so many flaws with the movie.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

He looked at her, kind of impressed that she was jumping like that, because it was a risk of hurting herself. Maybe he was moved that she trusted him already so soon after they fought and talked about stranger danger.

When he sees someone in danger, I think it’s common sense to run over and check if they are okay, keep closer together and back off from more danger. If you only do this to people you’re crushing on, no, sorry, are in TRUE LOVE with, then damn, I’ve been doing it wrong for years.

I admit, at this point I was more confused why the Trolland was not being frozen over (possibly magic, but like a lot in this movie, they don’t tell), but I feel it was at this point something was fishy. Still, so he tries to be nice and caring to her without knowing how and why. He has openly admitted that he does not like humans, Anna might be the first one he has spent longer than an hour with, I think it’s not strange that he would be awkward and unsure what to do when someone they know and care for is in distress.

These are all small hints, I think, and do not say anything about him actually falling in TRUE love with her. If the movie had dropped the TRUE LOVE red herring (which, let’s be honest, was completely unnecessary if you knew how much the movie advertised it was about sisterhood and Olaf) and just had at the end of the day, Kristoff realizes that he wants to kiss Anna, and Anna realizes that she wants to kiss him too, and they kiss in consent, that would be okay. Because then the point with Anna/Hans was that they rushed too much too fast (because apparently marrying fellow royalty you don’t really know (for power) at the age of 18 was not acceptable in 1800’s Norway…), instead of just getting together when that feels right and take it from there. Because I’ve seen people getting into relationships quicker and for smaller reasons than Anna/Kristoff, so then I might have believed it.

But then suddenly the movie EXPLICITLY TELLS US that these two are in ***TRUE LOVE*** and keeps pushing it and expecting it to be so. Just like Anna did with Hans. But you know, Anna is dumb and naive and doesn’t know a thing, we should trust the TROLLS (who have, mythologically speaking, seldom been up to anything good) and the movie when THEY say that it’s true love.

I think my main quip with the Anna/Kristoff pairing is that, for all the movie’s attempts at ridiculing Anna for believing Anna/Hans is true love after a day, they’re suddenly expecting us to believe that *Anna/Kristoff* is true love after one AND A HALF day. They still go “this is TRUE LOVE!” at both, like it is supposed to mean something in the end.

If they had dropped the True Love part of their relationship, I might have believed them more. But the problem is that the movie tells us that you can’t have true love after a day, but then suddenly tells us to forget that because this is TOTALY DIFFERENT, even if it really isn’t.

I have to say that, though I get everything you’re saying and agree that it can be viewed this way, I just didn’t see it that way when watching the movie.

I see two alternative scenarios:

1) The trolls are magical and can know when it’s meant to be, so they knew it about them. ( “love experts” and whatever)

2) Everyone in the movie jumps to this conclusion, Olaf, Anna, maybe even Kristoff (though it can be interpreted that he just came back because he cared about her, not because he thought it was true love, and just hoped that perhaps he can save her) but in the end, Anna goes to save Elsa, making THEIRS the true love. Leaving the possibility that if she had went for Kristoff instead, it WOULDN’T have thawed her heart. 

And it’s only later on that they even kiss at all! Who even knows how much time has passed? This means that they weren’t even a couple yet when she gives him the sled, they were just friends until that moment when he said he wanted to kiss her.

So they didn’t get married, they didn’t kiss after one day, everyone around them was always thinking ‘romantic true love’ ‘must be a guy’ ‘it ain’t Hans so it must be Kristoff’ but those were the CHARACTERS being narrow minded. In the end, what actually HAPPENED was true love between the sisters which is in itself problematic because technically why the hell does Anna even like Elsa after shutting her out all those years, and what a dumb fucking premise, their parents were idiots. But that’s another matter entirely.

That last stroked part made me laugh! XD Yes, the movie has more problems than just this, but for the sake of the current argument, I chose to ignore them. :P

1) Then I wish they had made it clear in some way that they can see it. The love experts thing for me seemed like just a joke, so I never took it seriously, and the way they just went “oooh, a girl, Kristoff brought a girl, when’re they getting married?!” also made me discredit them of any credibility. At least have their eyes glow for a second or whatever to show something supernatural about their knowledge, don’t just decide it and expect me to believe it. Freaking Hotel Transylvania had a supernatural explanation to make us believe these two brats belonged together. Yeah, it was dumb and relatively lazy, but at least it was an in-universe legit explanation.

2) The problem is that, like with Hans, this moment when Anna sacrifices herself is supposed to be shocking, because who she thinks is the solution is right there, and she chooses to save her sister instead. But because Kristanna was not built up to be true love, it is hard to believe (like you said, the characters jump to conclusions and we’re supposed to take their word for it; heck, at least the True Love Song in Tangled was sung by the couple itself, so that we knew THEIR feelings on the matter) and just feels like filler until we get to the point. The point isn’t so much whether it IS true love or not but that the movie expects US to believe it is.

If they had only dropped the “true love might not be romantic!” twist, then I could have accepted the relationship more (as I said, the kissing scene works better if we ignore the True Love bit), because then the issue would not have to be about True Love as much as just the journey to affection, teenage crush and romance. In Tangled, Rapunzel and Eugene only knew each other for two days and nights, but ignoring the prologue about years before they married, they had moments when they talked and got to know each other (running from the bar, when they were about to drown, when Rapunzel heals his hand) before we got the festival sequence where we feel like there might be something in the air, and then we hear *them* sing about their love for each other. And the issue was NEVER about True Love, so their only job was to convince us that they were enough in love to sacrifice themselves for each other.

Frozen, on the other hand, tells me that Anna is dumb for believing in True Love after only a day of singing and talking, not only by having Elsa tell her so, but ALSO Kristoff. Then when they get to trolland, the movie tells me to ignore that, because THIS is True Love after one and a half day of traveling and arguing together. And we are told this in a song performed by trolls that completely ignore the couple’s own feelings in the issue. So when Anna is told that Kristoff loves her, how am I supposed to genuinely hope this will work and not consider it filler?

A problem the movie has is that it tries to bring this big shocking climax to the movie; that Anna throws the (not likely) chance of saving herself to save her sister, proving that GASP!!!, true love is not necessarily romantic and could mean familial love as well!!!! Who would have thought a movie advertised as being about sisterhood and a snowman would have sisterhood and snowman save the day?! That’s Academy Award writing, right there.

I’m sorry, I’m being too subjective here. My point is, there are certain things about the move that I think are good (Elsa, impressive animation), but the development of Anna/Kristoff is not one of them for me.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

What i mean: It's a film that, essentially suffers from an existential crisis throughout the entire two hours it runs. There's no world building whatsoever, leaving too many unanswered questions the audience in regards to the magic and lore of the land. It's inferred the trolls know everything there is to know about magic, but it does not explain how Elsa recieved her powers in the first place, leaving a pretty big unanswered question. Also, the decision to take a fantasy race usually isolated from magicks as the main sage magicians was an ...interesting choice, and would have worked out a bit better if the world was built up more. The plot is all over the place, with there being no clear antagonist until the final arc of the movie. Is the Duke of Weaselton supposed to be the antagonist? No, and he honestly doesn't even belong in the movie: in what way does this character move forward the plot? He doesn't, so why is he given such emphasis? Is Elsa supposed to be the antagonist? Through the film the audience is constantly being given conflicting views as to whether or not we are supposed to sympathsize with her or hate her, and we're never given our answer until the final arc of the movie, which is, ironically, when the real antagonist show his face: Hans. Since he is introduced as he antagonist in the final arc, it makes Hans' development as a villain feel rushed and unnatural. Such a sudden heel-face turn from charming benevolent prince to cold-blooded killer feels wrong, and considering there was no foreshadowing or dramatic irony leading up the reveal, it comes as a shock to even the most watchful moviegoers. Beyond the shock response, there is no reason for the audience to hate Hans, making him an ineffective villain all in all. The audience only hates him because he betrayed the trust that was willingly given in the first half of the film. Yes, he wants to usurp the throne and kill everyone off, but wouldn't that incentive be more effective if it were presented as such from the beginning of the movie? Give the viewers hints and clues that he is not what he seems, making the reveal of his plan much more suspenseful. Additionally, if it were addressed from the beginning, a large amount of the aimless plotless wandering that plagued most of the first three-quarters of the movie would be practically non-existant. In addition, the shock factor response wears off eventually; the impact of his betrayal means less and less to the audience each time they watch it. Part of the reason of the weakness and confusion in the beginning also stems from the fact that the movie is trying to juggle too many characters. Many named characters are completely unneeded and did not need to steal screentime (and by extension, valuble character development) from the main characters (Anna, Elsa, Kristoff, and I guess Hans). And the lack of character development is bad. Really bad. Anna doesn't feel like a real person, even by Disney standards. Elsa is a bit more believable, but her "development" is rushed and inferred instead of shown to the audience as it should be. Why was there such an emphasis on the parents in the beginning if they were only going to be killed off for plot fuel? And as an audience member, I did not feel any sadness for their death or for how Anna and Elsa were grieving. Having Elsa locked in her room for upmost of ten years was just...weird. There was absolutely nothing that justified it, making the isolation feel like a cheap way out for the writers to transition from childhood to adulthood. And beyond that, Arendelle is shown to be a peaceful kingdom, so it makes no sense that Anna would not be allowed to leave the castle and walk amongst the city. If magic exists in this world, why was Elsa locked away? Why was it a secret? All of these questions stem from weak worldbuilding that justifies very little of the events of the movie. There are so many unanswered questions that rise up from what happens inbetween childhood and adulthood. Is there a puppet monarch? Was magic seen as something negative or unknown? Why the trolls. Why the trolls. I'm sorry I just do not understand the trolls. The romantic subplot again ties into making the trolls feel even more forced and unneeded and the Hans reveal stale, I don't need to go into this. From a technically standpoint, the animation is subpar compared to its contempararies. Rise of the Guardians, a movie made a year before Frozen, had better ice effects. The particle effects and textures were nothing to write home about and the numerous clipping issues are clear evidence that the final product was rushed. The character design is the biggest complaint everyone has heard the most, but, Jesus Christ, oh my god it's bad. There's virtually no variation in character design. The facial structure of all the women are practically identical. Elsa, Anna, their mother, even Rapunzel all look 100% identical. Perhaps that wouldn't be such a problem if their body types were the same as well. There's no power of silouette in the film, something that is absolutely crucial to animated film, making Anna and Elsa blend together not only in the film, but in the industry itself. They do not stand out. They are blank and bland. The music is the only good thing, and that's only considering some songs. "Let it Go" and "First Time in Forever" are strong, powerhouse showtunes that actually move the plot forward, as songs in a musical should, but "Fixer-Upper" and "Love is an Open Door," while good, solid songs, do relatively nothing for the plot can could be omitted without sacrificing anything. "In Summer" is a total joke song that literally fades into nothing--I could not recall the tune if I tried, and "Do You Wanna Build a Snowman?" has a lot of potential but is, esentially, the same chorus repeated with little to no transition three times. It doesn't help that the song is also the most awkward contrived timeskip in the history of awkward contrived timeskips, again because it is never explained why Elsa is locked in her room at all. And the trolls and the--oh god. Please, all artists and writers, do NOT overlook the importance of worldbuilding. Even the dialogue is mediocre and does nothing to immerse the characters into the world around them. The resulting product is nothing but two hours of mediocrity masquerading as the best film of the decade in commercialization and ticket sales, but ultimately does nothing but leave a bad taste in the audience's mouth and will encourage Disney to continue making mediocre movies because they know they will sell and sell well.


Any reasons and any other reasons why was it hard to like, tolerate and sympathize with Anna so far anyway 3 months ago

See, she’s what you WANT to see. She’s the “Everygirl” or “Everywoman”, like a cheesy version of Bella Swan.

  HOW? Because, like Bella, Anna couldn’t really exist on her own. If Bella didn’t have Edward, she wouldn’t really have a life. What does she like to do? What aspirations does she have? What will make her happy? 

  Anna is happy, and fun, and is almost a personification of summer … but she’s not organic. How would she be if she didn’t have a sister? Does she do anything besides sing, talk to portraits, or build snowmen? (She said something about riding her bike around the halls.) 

  But, Anna had around 10 years to not associate with her sister! Did she learn a hobby? Did she learn about being a ruler? Did she horseback ride with her father? 

  The cool thing about Rapunzel is that we saw what she did for 18 years. She sang a song about it! She became skilled in everything she could learn. And she got bored, but she had a goal, a dream!

  All we know is that Anna she has little to no skill. She hasn’t tried to escape for all ten years, and didn’t do anything for three years, besides wait for the coronation. 

 BUT, “She’s incredibly adorable! She’s has so much girl-power! She punched that stupid Han’s in the face! She loves her sister sooooo much! Oh my gosh, I wanna build a snowman! She’s so Adorable. She also wakes up like me! And eats chocolate like Me!

                       SHE’S JUST LIKE ME!!!”

Well, that’s exactly the problem. A real, organic character should be barely similar to the audience in most cases. This is because the writers need to punch, and break, and abuse the character without hurting the audience’s feelings. 

   Because the character abuse will shape the character in the end. And only after the movie ends should the audience, as a whole, should say “Oh, I understand that totally.”

  Example: Monster’s University. I’m personally not a green or blue scare student. I am a college student, but I don’t even have Frats or Sororities at my school… BUT, I do know how it feels to try so hard at something, and still fail while others don’t try and have it naturally. And this is a painful subject, and I suddenly empathize with the characters and not only sympathize. 

  But Frozen, I had everything in common with Anna, yet nothing. Because Anna likes chocolate, like me, wakes up ugly, like me, would die for her sister, like I would, but what else?

  Funny thing is, I know so many people just like Anna, that have so little in common with the movie. One of my friends literally says “Wait, what?” in a lot of her conversations. And she cutely uses the word “Awkward” at perfect moments. 

  But she has something so much deeper that Anna doesn’t have. She has talents. She has big fears and little fears. she has Big dreams, and whims. She became a vegetarian. She’s an artist. She has a few siblings, and has a troubled past. 

  But Anna. Anna is what we want to be. Sure, she has isolation problems. But we treat her character flaws of insta-forgiveness to be a virtue instead of bad-writing.

* And I know what people will say. They will say I have a frozen heart, and would defend Anna and stuff. But, they think they’re defending Anna, they’re really defending themselves. Because when they say Anna’s perfect, they’re saying all the relatable things they find in Anna are fine within themselves.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

Gabby: I’d assign Anna the powers of fire because her sister has ice powers so.. it makes sense? Kinda? No..

Jen: Snow White, the power to not eat poisonous fruit. I would also give Elsa the power of character depth

Jonna: Give Anna the power of a Khaleesi (but Jen has a good point about Elsa).

It’s gotten to the point where I want to unfollow this blog. All you guys do is hate on Frozen. We get it. You all think the movie was shit. You think they’re boring characters. Elsa has no personality and blah blah waaah waah waah. People asking you a question about *any* princess and you take a stab at Frozen. It’s immature.

^^^what this person said^^^

Actually I like frozen a lot, don’t put words in my mouth. Hating on frozen is not all we do- in fact we’ve rarely commented on it recently. Also I never said any of the characters were boring. Don’t pull shit out of your ass. If it’s gotten the point that you wanna unfollow us, go ahead, because apparently you can’t handle slivers of frozen criticism . I can’t remember the last time i commented about frozen.- which I like, by the way.

I don’t hate frozen, there are some things I love about it (the music, the fact that it takes place where I come from, Anna’s character, Kristoff’s personality). And I don’t hate Elsa, it’s kinda hard to hate someone that doesn’t make much of an impression on you. I do hate how they portray depression/anxiety through her though, especially how she ends up curing it in the end of the movie. I won’t go too much into it, because I’m just about to go to bed, but basically, Elsa did nothing to conquer her anxiety, and the only reason she is happy by the end of the movie is because Anna’s love just magically cured it. That’s not how it works, take it from someone who goes through it every day. And that is something I hate. But Elsa? No. Love her in Let it Go and her design, but other than that she leaves no impression on me.

/Jonna (who is the other mod…)

As someone who also has depression and anxiety, THIS THIS THIS. They should have never even tried to represent depression or anxiety in the first place if they were going to handle it so horribly. I feel bad for any children with anxiety or depression (or who have parents struggling with them) who watched this movie and afterwards might be wondering if no one loves them enough/they don’t love their parents enough to fix them.

But then on the other hand, my therapist who has seen Frozen many times (thanks to her children) said she didn’t see how Elsa could represent depression or anxiety. My therapist, who specializes in these disorders, doesn’t even see them in Elsa because the portrayal was so bad. So maybe the kids will be fine after all. Idk


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

Now Frozen, that’s what I can see OP getting at more. The whole movie is packed with songs, and it seems like they focused more on that than actual character development. Do You Wanna Build A Snowman? is the entirity of Anna and Elsa growing up, and while it shows that yes, Anna is awkward, it shows nothing else about her because of the weird time skips. What does she do for fun? Does she have any hobbies? Any friends inside the castle? What’s her favorite painting, what does she like to learn, does she have any passions at all besides romance? These are all unanswered questions that are pushed aside so they can add more songs. And throughout the movie, Anna basically only learns that Hans isn’t her true love. She still goes with Kristoff in a forced-written and quick relationship after knowing him for only a day, she never learns to respect Elsa’s space or not to be so recklessly impulsive. She doesn’t learn anything or change. And Elsa, we never get to know besides her scene at the party, Let It Go, her song with Anna, and a few shots of her in the castle being stressed. What’s supposed to be a full, developed character is just a pretty, bland shell with a mental illness that people can project themselves onto. The movie should have had less songs and more actual character growth and development.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

It’s telling of how fed-up people are becoming with the princesses.

But when you think about it, what are the things you can think of for the princesses that beat them?

Ariel: she wanted to learn and was one of the first “progressive” Disney princesses

Jasmine: she wanted to be married for love, and not forced into marriage.

Pocahontas: she stopped a whole damn war.

Merida: she was a badass who didn’t want to get married at all.

Rapunzel: she was strong and she worked hard to achieve her dreams and she cared so much about others.

Tiana: she is a hard -working woman who started her own independent business.

Belle: she sacrificed her life for her father, she was strong and stood up to the Beast when he was being awful, she only started to be interested in him when he stopped being a dick, and she saw through his looks to see his real personality. She stood up to Gaston.

Mulan: sHE FUCKING SAVED CHINA. SHE BLEW UP A MOUNTAIN.

Now:

Elsa: she has… ice powers… she… did things that weren’t shown onscreen… she sang a song…?

Anna: she didn’t get married to a man she just met after she wanted to marry a man she just met before she started dating a man she just met….? Oh, and she sacrificed her life for her sister even though there was barely any relationship developed enough to care.

… Yeah, that’s why they’re low on both. They’re not distinguishable.

I blame the writing for that.

While Anna gets off better than Elsa, we don’t know a lot about these girls. Hardly any time is spent on Elsa. We see some semblance of personality after Let It Go but after that, we never see any of that again. It’s frustrating because I was hoping for more big, bold Elsa but instead we get scared, baby Elsa.

Anna does have a bit of personality but like I’ve said, she doesn’t fair any better than Elsa. All we get is quirky from Anna. That’s it.


Any reasons and any other reasons why Elsa deserve more personality than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

More big bolder Elsa and less scared, baby Elsa

More developed Anna and less underdeveloped Anna

Anna's personality being a less of a carbon copy, cut, a paste of of Rapunzel's (Tangled).

The writers adding anything else

More progressive Anna and less retrogressive Anna


Any reasons and any other reasons why Elsa deserve more personality than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

One of the worst issues in this movie:

nomorefrozen:

elliexer:

nomorefrozen:

frozen-sarcasm:

youremyhiro:

frozen-sarcasm:

antifreezeteam:

Anna punching Hans. If Hans punched Anna it would be “inappropiate for kids because it shows gender violence and machism” but if Anna punchs Hans it is “feminist and badass, it shows that girls don’t need a man so it’s cool”. If you didn’t know, gender violence isn’t only man mistreating women, it can be woman mistreating man. Wow oh wow! Now you know it!

My grandmother attends violence victim in her own assoiciation and had cases of mans who were mistreated by her wifes and didn’t recieved help because people laughed at them and used gay insults against them. Womens aren’t the only.

#white feminism

I get what you’re both saying, but “white feminism”? That’s literally the worst label for it.

I would call it #tumblr feminism or #hollywood feminism because all I see on Tumblr about a majority of the female characters that they love is that they put down or hurt men (this comes from Hollywood). Sometimes it’s not even men that deserve to be taken down. People love to apply the philosophy of, “If I want to show that this female is strong, then I guess I have to have her physically dominate or hurt a male.” It’s bullshit, it’s cliche and stereotypical, and, quite frankly, it’s kind of sexist. Women are strong without having to punch someone. In fact, Anna would have looked like the better person if she had said something to defend her sister. This would have made her look like a better character who didn’t stoop to Hans’ level, like the movie had her do, and it would have furthered Anna and Elsa’s relationship. They could have accomplished two good things at once.

I’d like to point out that there’s another terrible way to make female characters feminist: It’s putting down the male characters, turning them to stupid comic relief fillers. I’m looking at you Brave.

While that is problematic, at least Merida herself is a well defined character with wants and flaws. Like it would have made sense if she punched Hans but it really doesn’t make sense Anna does and it’s odd that we suddenly have to cheer her on because of that action. Okay why? Yes, Hans was a douche bag but what did punching him solve? Nothing really.

She was also out of harms way so why was punching him necessary. 

Honestly I think the best explanation of the scene is literally this: 

Anna is quirky. 

That’s literally it. Like, the only reason she punched him was for some violent humor and like, did he deserve it? Yeah. Do I feel sorry for him? Not at all, he tried to have both Anna and Elsa killed, he seriously had it coming and i’m glad for it but like… it’s not there for Anna’s triumph; nor for her to close the hole in her heart he caused; it’s there to prove to the audience that she’s just as ‘quirky’ and ‘silly’ as she’s always been. She the more ‘relateable’ princess. punching hans makes her likable and relateable to little girls. Or at the very least thats what disney has discovered. 

Disney sacrificed Anna’s character in the name of having her be quirky and cute; which is a trope i want to see fucking deleted from time and space. I am sick of quirky and awkward female character; they are the ‘sexy sultry co-lead’ o the 21st century and it needs to go immediately. 

Hm.

That…makes a lot of sense.

And I’m with you on this.

Like I have nothing wrong with quirky characters but they there has to be more too them. And I really wanted to like Anna. Like I really, really, really wanted to like her but I just can’t because she’s written to just be one-dimensional and it’s a shame. She was oozing with potential but Disney just decided to be lazy. And it seems now that the popular trope is to have these ‘quirky’ girls who had little personality and are just here to be ‘random.’

And to be honest, I don’t think her punching Hans makes her relateable at all. To me it makes her a bit brash and childish. And that’s not a good thing.

Wow, these are really good points.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

I have a lot of thoughts on the nonsense regarding Elsa’s powers and a great portion of it involves how much of a not a real issue the subject of them being dangerous actually is. 

For the moment I’m gonna ignore the whole ‘cursed my kingdom because I don’t feel the cold lol’ bullshit in Let It Go, because by that point Elsa is an adult and she spent an honest majority of her life under the impression that her powers were dangerous without them being that way just yet, so it’s a given that they would be that way when she stops caring about anything in general and after over a decade of conditioning, being taught to think that her powers can do nothing but hurt people. Or, y’know, her powers were written that way because the movie needed some dumb conflict when in reality if her powers ever had the potential to get that bad, they would’ve done it a LOT sooner.

Let’s be honest, if Elsa and her powers were actually, consistently dangerous and uncontrollable, she and Anna would never have played games as children. That kind of thing had the potential to manifest in many ways aside from Anna being hit in the head; like, Elsa made the ice too slippery and Anna (predictably) slipped and fell, or the snow mounds were too weak/not packed enough, and Anna would sink into one. But they played games anyway. Elsa had very reasonable control of her powers, even more control than one would expect a child to have, if you ask me. The accident that led to this whole mess happened exactly as worded; it was an accident. It was no one’s fault Elsa hit Anna in the head, she was trying to stop Anna’s fall and misaimed her ice. Children are allowed to make mistakes. Adults make mistakes. 

But then instead of, I don’t know, the parents giving Elsa a quick little tip on how to time her ice blasts or requiring the children have adult supervision around instead of sneaking around the palace at night to play games like they were initially doing (that was honestly the real danger; they were doing this without an adult presence nearby), they take Anna to the trolls and the trolls instill a fear in Elsa that didn’t exist before. What the hell logic is that? If a child plays baseball, takes a swing, accidentally lets go of the bat and inertia causes the bat to hit someone in the face, you teach them to get a better grip on the bat and how to let it go properly after the swing, not tell them never to play baseball and sports in general ever again and making them feel like a failure.

So that mess happens, and Elsa has less control of her powers as an adult than she did as a child! If she were unconsciously freezing things through her gloves during her coronation ceremony, then her own clothes should have frozen solid just from her skin being in contact with it. She wouldn’t be able to take baths because the water would freeze before she even got in (or while she was getting in, that’d be fun! /sarcasm). Eating would be a pain since the utensils would freeze over, and reading would be impossible because the pages would be too hard to turn or they’d stick together. She would have experienced these issues earlier, long before her parents even died or she was playing games with Anna, but she didn’t because they didn’t exist until after the troll thing. Or, I guess, the writers suck and didn’t think too much of it.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

Like I have nothing wrong with quirky characters but they there has to be more too them. And I really wanted to like Anna. Like I really, really, really wanted to like her but I just can’t because she’s written to just be one-dimensional and it’s a shame. She was oozing with potential but Disney just decided to be lazy. And it seems now that the popular trope is to have these ‘quirky’ girls who had little personality and are just here to be ‘random.’


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

“I find it kind of scary how Frozen glosses over the fact that Anna’s memories are altered and it’s not clear if she’ll get them back or even can get them back. I suffer from dissociative amnesia due to some traumatic childhood events and my memory issues have always been one of the primary things that has caused me a lot of identity issues. I really wish Frozen had explored that a little more, or at the very least showed how disorienting fake memories can be. It’s not a fun ride.”

More great opportunities this film had, wasted away

I could see Anna getting amnesia from a strike to the head, but someone purposefully altering her memories so she forgets her sister has ice powers? When all you had to do was heal her so she wouldn’t freeze to death?? What was the point of taking away her memories?? It makes no sense and it’s such a load of bull and not to mention it created a downward spiral of such familial dysfunction in this movie.

Anything to add rootbeersweetheart?

I’m glad I’m not the only one bothered by this.

There was no reason to remove Anna’s memory and in a way, it’s somewhat abusive. Anna gets no say in this. It’s really upsetting.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

3. It did not make the lead characters odd-looking, but instead kept them pretty

Despite the feminist brouhaha over Lino DiSalvo’s remark that Disney princesses need to look pretty, he was absolutely correct in both his idea and his word choice. The fact is that people do have a natural longing for beauty and an aversion to that which is unappealing. […]

In the wake of Mr. DiSalvo’s remarks, numerous angry resenters have created their own redesigns of the Frozen characters, all of which have been pointedly off-putting, some even outright grotesque. Few people would wish to watch Frozen if it featured such unappealing character designs. […]

4. It did not make Elsa an aggressive tomboy, but made her feminine, vulnerable and graceful

Not just Disney, but most feature films these days feature female leads who are tomboyish and aggressive (and often blessed with implausible kung-fu skills and the laughable ability to physically defeat male antagonists who are completely out of their weight class). […]

[….]

6. It did not anachronistically flood 19th-century Norway with 21st-century “diversity”

Doing so would have immediately taken the viewer out of the story and made him aware that he was watching a politically revised world. It would have broken the spell. […]

7. It did not present Elsa legislating or governing

Though Elsa is a princess who is crowned queen, there are no tedious scenes with transparent modernist themes of “women in power” showing Elsa as a quasi-CEO or a politician. […] This is another example of how Frozen avoids pushing a gratingly modern, political agenda but instead keeps its storyline timeless.

friendly reminder that Frozen is bad enough to make people genuinely think its weaknesses are strengths.

“it made the females eye candy”

“it made elsa weak and incapable”

“UGH DIVERSUTY SUXXXX”

“it never showed elsa dOING HER FUCKING JOB”

idk those sound like shit weaknesses to me m8


Any reasons and any other reasons why the idea portrayal of Anna and Elsa as related to each other as sisters, especially as orphaned sisters wasn't a good/great idea at all but a bad idea so far anyw 3 months ago

I saw Elsa and Anna more as friends who haven't seen each other in years instead of sisters. Was I the only one who felt like that?

Nope. To be honest, as much as I know Anna loves Elsa, it’s kinda hard to feel the actual sisterly-connection.

(That’s part of why I vastly prefer some of the older ideas for the story and deleted scenes/songs. You get more “sisters” feels in three minutes than you do an entire movie.)

-K

It’s the way they talk and act around each other. After not seeing each other for years, they just say ‘hi.’ That’s it? You guys aren’t going to talk about anything important? When was the last time you two saw each other?

And it’s really frustrating to hear people say this movie does such a good job with portraying sisterly relationships when the sisters barely spend ANY time together.

“It really bothers me that Anna and Elsa don’t seem to have any real conversations. Why don’t they talk about their abusive parents or even talk about Elsa shutting Anna for all those years? I think that is why their sisterly realtionship is so lacking because they don’t seem to do anything real sisters do.”

The writers of the movie have ONE job and it’s to tell the story right, which they didn’t. 


Any reasons and any other reasons why the idea portrayal of Anna and Elsa as related to each other as sisters, especially as orphaned sisters wasn't a good/great idea at all but a bad idea so far anyw 3 months ago

Anna: An ass who married a man she just meet. She's just a total insult to Gerda the original heroine of The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen anyway.


Any reasons and any other reasons why the idea portrayal of Anna and Elsa as related to each other as sisters, especially as orphaned sisters wasn't a good/great idea at all but a bad idea so far anyw 3 months ago

The drastic change to Frozen’s original plot that made everyone love the villain

yuri–senpai:

a new ABC special, ”The Story of Frozen” exposes the one big change that could’ve cost the studio its mega hit.

Elsa was originally the bad guy.

But as Robert Lopez and Kristen Anderson-Lopez, the movie’s songwriting team, started exploring Elsa’s character in order to write her signature song, they found themselves unable to villify her. Instead they couldn’t help but empathize with her.

Kristen says,

We were still writing a villain song and we started getting into the head-space of what you’d feel like if you were that isolated.

And then they wrote “Let It Go” and everything changed.

The movie’s screenwriter and director Jennifer Lee explains…

Elsa was going to be the complete antagonist. They kept calling her the “villain.” But there came a point where we said, “We can’t use that word anymore.” You care about someone who’s been forces to hide who they are. Elsa’s not a villain, she just makes some bad choices because she’s in a very difficult situation.

Elsa, before and after…

In early sketches, the story revolves around a peasant girl, Anna, who asks an evil Snow Queen — Elsa as she was originally imagined — to freeze her broken heart. As you can see, Elso looked totally different, complete with light blue skin; short, spiky blue hair; and a coat made of live weasels.

But then they became sisters…

Fortunately, Elsa went through a transformation, much like the one she goes through in the movie — and became a beloved, yet misunderstood co-protagonist. Lee describes a major breakthrough among the screenwriters…

The issue that kept coming up is, “What do Anna and Elsa have to do with each other? Why does it matter, and how could it matter more?” Someone in the room said, “What if they were sisters?”

And with that the entire tone of the movie changed…

Elsa became more the yin to Anna’s yang, as opposed to the bad guy.

Disney even hosted a “Sister Summit,” where women from Disney Animation discussed their relationships with their sisters, in order to strengthen the one between Anna and Elsa and make it more relatable to viewers.

I dislike the idea portrayal role of Elsa and Anna as related to each other as sisters, especially orphaned sisters.


Any reasons and any other reasons why the idea portrayal of Anna and Elsa as related to each other as sisters, especially as orphaned sisters wasn't a good/great idea at all but a bad idea so far anyw 3 months ago

The reason why's it so hard to like Anna (Frozen) because she is the worst character from Frozen all because she's just a total insult to the original heroine of The Snow Queen but a female Kai, Elsa's cool though so she's still the reason I love Frozen but some total insult to Gerda the original heroine of The Snow Queen is the reason Frozen was a terrible movie! There are reasons why I hate Anna, she is one of the worst characters to come from a Disney movie, and she's the reason Frozen was crap anyway. Anna was annoying, stupid, clumsy and they thought making her goofy would make her more relatable and cute but all it did was make her took stupid, plus she is ugly and her voice was awful.

Less annoying

Less stupid Anna

Less clumsy Anna

Less goofy Anna

Less ugly Anna

Anna's voice being less awful (No offense to Kristen Bell)


Any reasons and any other reasons why Gerda (The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen the original fairytale story) is better than Anna (Frozen) so far anyway 3 months ago

The Snow Queen’s message can be distilled down into ‘childish innocence is important and right, but sometimes lost in the transition into adulthood - it is your choice to retrieve it again’. Note how both Anna or Elsa were stripped of their autonomy and ability to choose.

Also note how Gerda was portrayed as the moral right in The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen - she never has to change who she is because she’s in the right. But Anna’s childishness is shown here as a kind of foolishness - she is consistently told she’s wrong to marry Hans, she’s misinformed about how warm she must dress, she underestimates her sister’s mental state, etc. She’s consistently told ‘your childishness is wrong, Anna!’ - to a point where she has to question her own morality on love - whereas no one would tell Gerda that. Man, they could've portrayed Anna as a less of an insult to Gerda back then before.

And also note that Elsa’s Let It Go song is widely considered ‘empowering’ for women for one reason or another - but when you consider that it’s equal in the original is portrayed as Kay’s spiritual low point, you realise how perverted Frozen is compared to its original. 

Then he cried as loud as he could, but no one heard him… and he tried to repeat the Lord’s Prayer; but all he could do, he was only able to remember the multiplication table.

So, there you have it. The Little Mermaid is by no means perfect, but it’s a relatively minor offender.

Still, it should be noted that The Snow Queen is a story that children are MEANT to read, so they can remember to be kids well into adulthood. 

I come from a generation of kids that refused to read the original Mermaid tale when I discovered how ‘It’s not like the Disney movie!’ - and I wasn’t able to appreciate it’s meaning until years later. For Frozen to do this yet again, and this time depriving the story of it’s original message to it’s original target audience, is a travesty in itself..

Instead of Kristoff, we should've had a cute proof of concept little robber thief girl from the original fairytale story of The Snow Queen, and Sven should've been her pet reindeer like how in the story, Gerda receives the reindeer Bae from her. Instead we got a overconfident jerk who mocks Anna throughout most of their adventures for not having experience in the outdoors, when she's been trapped indoors for eighteen years. Kai would've been awesome too, as Anna's only childhood friend who she sneaked out of the castle to see, or something back then before in the movie, Frozen.


Any reasons and any other reasons why Tangled's better than Frozen so far anyway 3 months ago

Eugene/Rapunzel: ‘FUCK ME RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF THE PRIEST!’ ‘I WILL!’

Kristanna is pointless, meanwhile my honeyboos ought to get a room

Kristanna is forced and unnecessary.

Kristoff & Anna barely know each other for about 2-3 days while Rapunzel & Flynn have been together for years, guys…


Any reasons and any other reasons why Tangled's better than Frozen so far anyway 3 months ago

Eugene/Rapunzel: ‘FUCK ME RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF THE PRIEST!’ ‘I WILL!’

Kristanna is pointless, meanwhile those two ought to get a room

Kristanna is forced and unnecessary.

Kristoff & Anna barely know each other for about 2-3 days while Rapunzel & Flynn have been together for years, guys…

Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far

Less mistreated Kristoff

Less abandoned Kristoff

Kristoff not being raised by the rock trolls

Kristoff being raised by his human family

Known about wherever Sven came from so far

Elsa being kidnapped by being taken away from Aren-delle

Less orphaned Elsa

Less isolated Anna

Less lonely Anna

Less naive Anna

Less orphaned Anna


Any reasons and any other reasons why neither Prince Hans nor even any of his twelve big older brothers ever even deserve to be portrayed as the true villains of Frozen nor Once Upon A Time at all 3 months ago

Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far

Hans's veneer of kindness not melting away


Any reasons and any other reasons why neither Prince Hans nor even any of his twelve big older brothers ever even deserve to be portrayed as the true villains of Frozen nor Once Upon A Time at all 3 months ago

“To be honest, I dislike it when people refer to Hans as a sociopath. Everyone is allowed to have alternate character interpretation, but it creates a negative stigma about “bad” abuse victims. If you read A Frozen Heart, Hans seems to be severely depressed (and is implied to even hurt himself to feel), not sociopathic.”

I just chalk up his random turn to evil ad extremely bad writing

A spinoff of Hans childhood would be a better story that Frozen.

I find it weird when everyone defends Elsa because she has mental illness but no one pats an eye on how terrible Hans’ life is. Elsa at least still gets treated like a princess/queen, still receive love from her relatives while no one cares about Hans’ existence. I 
BTW, I heard somewhere said that Hans lives in a barn, is this true or false?


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 3 months ago

Anna and Elsa don’t have other supporting female characters around them. While Pocahontas has her best friend Nakoma, Aurora has her fairies and Cinderella’s whole movie is filled with female characters, Anna and Elsa basically only have each other. They never speak to any other female characters for the entire movie. Other articles have similarly talked about the original Snow Queen fairy tale, and complained that Disney threw away its great cast of supporting female characters in favor of male ones. And it is disappointing that Anna and Elsa are the only non-troll female characters we see. But, at the risk of repeating tired anti-feminist arguments, the movie doesn’t have room for other significant female characters.

Anna and Elsa not the only non female characters of the movie, Frozen

The movie, Frozen have any room and any other room for other significant female characters also.

The entire movie not structuring around Anna and Elsa’s isolation nor loneliness.

Anna having a female best friend forever in the palace, her narrative arc would be completely different as a result.

Less shallow Anna

More intelligent Anna

Less dumb Anna

Anna being aware of limitations and the consequences of her actions.

Less rude Anna

Less talkative/less mouthy Anna

Anna not talking too fast

More useful Anna/Less useless Anna

Less oblivious Anna

Less stubborn Anna

Anna having a pretty face

Anna having friendships with servants and other people in the castle of Aren-delle if only Elsa was kidnapped by being taken away from Aren-delle back then before


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 3 months ago

What annoyed me was the true love’s kiss thing. She thinks only by kissing someone she will be healed? Barf. Vomit. Puke. Throw up.

Oh my gosh you’re right! I never realised her first assumption was ‘True love means kisses!!’. It’s a really shallow sort of understanding, and… I like it! I would’ve kept that in actually!

It COULD have worked to show that Anna has a very poor understanding of what love is. And when she gets thawed at the end, she realizes she’s wrong, and grows as a person. Only, she never ever even does. The writers refused to set aside any time to show that the experience changed her and taught her anything, she never discusses her growth with anyone, not even her sister. She has, for all intents and purposes, NO GROWTH. All that has happened is that she’s okay with punching Hans, that’s it. She’s still as awkward and childish and teehee so adorbs as ever, which is a shame and a great big waste. (And it’s not as if they couldn’t sacrifice one of the numerous unnecessary songs for the time. I’m still annoyed the girls never got to discuss their parents after their death. Ugh.

Setting aside any time to show that the experience changed and taught Anna anything.

Anna growing as a person.

Anna discussing her growth with anybody, even Elsa.

Less awkward Anna

Less childish Anna


Any reasons and any other reasons why the movie, Frozen and the show, Once Upon A Time would've been a real nice connection back then before so far anyway 3 months ago

However if we move away from the movie Frozen and back to the original Snow Queen story, then the heroine's name was Gerda. Now where it get's kind of hinky was Gerda was not the Snow Queen's sister. But Snow Queen fans can't have it all. I'm actually really excited as a Snow Queen and Frozen fan that they are using OUAT to both respect the original fairy tale, and make it work with the new and amazing movie.

Except they are NOT making any connection between the Queen being Gerda from the Snow Queen - WHILE dumping on a character that was there. The MOVIE already did an easter egg nod to the Snow Queen by having Gerda and Kai in Arendelle as adults all along. Gerda had lines in several scenes and was the Arendelle citizen who was also completely taken in by Hans. It looks like the writer/producer just read the credits where the Queen was not listed (because Jennifer Lee spoke only one line for her) and assumed that Gerda was the Queen's name.

No. They named her Gerda on purpose. They are going to revamp the old fairytale. Gerda had her best friend taken by the Snow Queen in the original. OUAT is going to play on that by turning the best friend into Gerda's sisters. The Snow Queen is still the vilian but in the same way Luke Skywalker was told that Vader murdered his father. The Snow Queen destroyed/took Ingrid.

It looks like Elsa and Anna ain't the only royal sisters of Aren-delle at all so Ingrid, Helga and Gerda (Once Upon A Time) are also the other royal sisters of Aren-delle too. I do wish Ingrid and Helga (Once Upon A Time) were in the movie, Frozen back then before too like they deserve to be so far, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time. I also just wish the Nordic royal family from The Trolden Glass (only just mentioned in the show, Once Upon A Time) were in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too back then before, not only just being mentioned in the show, Once Upon A Time.


Any reasons and any other reasons why Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) should've been in the movie, Frozen back then before so far anyway, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time 3 months ago

Elsa has ice powers just like Ingrid. Cool but there's still gotta be any other royals of Aren-delle who were also born with cool ice powers besides only just Elsa and even Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) so far, right?


Any reasons and any other reasons why the idea portrayal role of Elsa and Anna as related to each other as sisters was a bad idea, wasn't a good/great idea at all anyway 3 months ago

Don't get me wrong, a female Kai, Elsa's still the reason I love Frozen even though she's also inspired by the original, titular main snow queen herself but I just don't like the idea portrayal role of Anna and Elsa as sisters at all. Elsa's still the reason I love Frozen though. I don't like them as sisters at all either because of the strife after past thirteenth year separation ever since the accident/incident. Why do they had to portray them to be related to each other as sisters anyway? The idea portrayal role of them as sisters really angers me the most because of the fight/argument. Ugh. Anna's so insufferable. I don't even like the idea portrayal role of Anna as a royal princess at all either. Ugh. She's not only just disgusting but she's also insufferable. At least Gerda from The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen is less insufferable. Love hate relationships are insufferable anyway, aren't they? They're the reason it's hard to enjoy reading and viewing. I can't stand them being portrayed as sisters at all. Them being portrayed as royal sisters was the worst idea ever. It's all because of the strife at the coronation party after the past thirteenth year separation/separate isolations. Let's face it. Elsa would've been better off being part of the all extraordinary magical/powerful ice, snow royal Norwegian family than the all ordinary royal Norwegian family of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time anyway. Elsa would've been better off growing up in the royal Norwegian ice palace than in the royal Norwegian kingdom of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too anyway. Elsa especially would've been the ice, snow queen of the ice palace the same way Anna would've been the queen of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too. The sisterly drama tension strife scene at the coronation before the eternal winter was the worst, most all time painful, most all time upsetting, most all time insufferable scene ever so far. Anna and Elsa are the WORST sisters ever so far anyway. Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck should've had anybody kidnap Elsa for her ice powers by taking Elsa away from Aren-delle. Let's face it. Anna and Elsa were never ever even great sisters at all because they barely spend time together. Neither Anna nor Elsa ever even deserve to be portrayed as related to each other as sisters, especially not as orphaned sisters at all either. Their relationship feels extremely fake anyway. Neither Anna nor Elsa should ever even portrayed to be related to each other as sisters, especially not as orphaned sisters at all either back then before. Man, It's tough and hard to like that disgusting, gross, ugly idea portrayal role of Anna as a real full fledged royal princess. Elsa should've been portrayed as the real royal ice princess in the movie, Frozen back then before for crying out loud. Don't you mean Anna and Elsa Not Being Portrayed As Related To Each Other As Sisters, Especially Not As Orphaned Sisters? Yes or no? Lilo and Nani are so much better than Elsa and Anna. Honestly, one of my major issues with Frozen was that I never believed that Anna loved Elsa. No one whose sane would still adore their sister after 10+ years of being ignored. If Elsa was and had been taken away back then before in the movie, Frozen, then it would've worked. It's actually one of my pet peeves with family movies. This idea that you have to love a person because they're family. No you don't! That's a bad lesson! Bad families exist and Anna's just happened to be one. The idea portrayal of Elsa and Anna as related to each other was the most all time, most insufferable, worst nightmare ever anyway. Let's face it. Love hate relationships are insufferable, aren't they? Their sisterly relationship is poorly written, isn't it? That's why I'm satisfied that you put this one on this list all because the idea portrayal of them as related to each other as royal sisters of Aren-delle was the most all time worst nightmare ever so far anyway. Let's face it. The idea portrayal of Anna as a full fledged royal princess wasn't a good idea at all. Man, Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck should've portrayed her as a pretty sleeper, not some gross, disgusting, ugly sleeper. I can't handle any princesses nor any other princesses being portrayed as not so pretty sleepers at all. Anna would've been better off being portrayed as a beautiful non royal village girl anyway. You know, when I first saw the trailer, I thought Elsa was a princess and Anna was a beautiful village girl. They soon become friends until Elsa runs away and Anna meets somebody called Kristoff. That would've made the movie much better. I'll have you know I don't like the idea portrayed of Hans being portrayed as a villain at all because you just wanted to use him as an excuse for Elsa and Anna to make up with each other and be best sister friends just like the creators of the movie, Frozen did, aren't you? However, I'm glad Elsa wasn't portrayed as a villain at all though. The idea portrayal of Anna and Elsa as related to each other as orphaned sisters was a total nightmare. Ugh. Man, the idea of Anna and Elsa living and being isolated together with each other in Aren-delle during their forced separation is the most all time worst nightmare ever so far. UGH. I CAN'T NOR COULDN'T STAND THE IDEA OF ANNA AND ELSA LIVING AND BEING ISOLATED TOGETHER WITH EACH OTHER IN AREN-DELLE DURING THEIR FORCED SEPARATION/ESTRANGEMENT IN THE MOVIE, FROZEN AT ALL. THE THE IDEA PORTRAYAL OF ANNA AND ELSA AS ORPHANED SISTERS IS THE OTHER MOST ALL TIME WORST NIGHTMARE. I dislike the idea portrayal of Anna and Elsa as sisters from the start all because of the argument. Them being related to each other as sisters was the worst idea ever. They would've been better off being portrayed as unrelated to each other anyway. Elsa would've been better off being raised in the ice palace anyway. Ingrid, Helga and Gerda (Once Upon A Time) are just another tale of royal Norwegian sisters of Aren-delle, aren't they? Ingrid and Helga are the ones who should've been in the movie, Frozen back then before.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

More magical than ever


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film and a show, Once Upon A Time than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

The fully whole entire redemption of Prince Hans and all of his twelve big older brothers


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film and a show, Once Upon A Time than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

1. The Plot has Pacing Issues and Plot Holes: Frozen’s plot is all over the place. Plot points like Anna’s erased memories and the whole ‘you can’t marry a man you just met’ are completely forgotten about after like five minutes. And the pacing isn’t much better either.

Better pacing than ever.

No plot holes nor no pacing issues at all

2. Lack of Explanation: Elsa’s powers are never explained. How does Olaf come to life? Also, how did Elsa get her powers? She’s the only person in the royal family who has them. Plus, how did Arendelle function without their queen or a reagent?

More explanations for Elsa's powers than ever

3. Really Bad World Building: Not only are Elsa’s powers not explained but the world of Frozen itself is confusing. Rock trolls? How do they know the king? And how did no one in Arendelle try to find out what happened to the queen? Is Elsa the only woman with ice powers becuase it seems like the rock troll knew of others like Elsa. Again, none of this explained.

Really Better World Building

4. Extremely Forced Romance: The ‘romance’ between Anna and Kristoff is so forced it hurts. How forced is it? Anna has to be told that Kristoff loves her. By a secondary character. She doesn’t realizes he loves her until after Olaf tells her. And Kristoff’s attraction towards her comes out of left field and we don’t know why he suddenly is in love with her when all he has done is talk down to her.

Less Forced Romance

5. Kristoff Isn’t that Great: Good god, where do I begin? Kristoff isn’t just a bad love interest but he’s a totally boring character. It seems like he was literally created to be Anna’s love interest and nothing more. Even Naveen and Flynn had personalities outside of being love interests. We literally don’t know a single thing about Kristoff other than he likes ice. That’s literally it.

Greater Kristoff, Less Boring Kristoff

6. Elsa is Bland: Warning, this might be long. Despite Elsa being marketed as this great, interesting, strong female character she is none of that. The movie barely focuses on her and when it does, we see Elsa either running away or complaining. Instead of being a complex character like Ralph from WIR or Elephaba (she’s an Elephaba knock off at beast) she’s whiney, self absorbed and dangerous. She also seems to not care about the people of Arendelle or her sister for that matter. People claim she’s a feminist character but she really isn’t.

Less Bland Elsa, More Interesting Elsa, Stronger Elsa, The movie focusing on her more than ever, More complex Elsa, Less whiny Elsa, Less self absorbed Elsa and Less dangerous Elsa, More caring Elsa and More feminist Elsa

7. Olaf: Okay, I’ll admit that I think Olaf is cute and he had some funny moments. But good god was some of his comic relief forced. And sometimes, he takes away drama from certain scenes. 

8. The Rock Trolls: These charecters are legitimately pointless. There is zero reason for them to be in the film and even Frozen fans don’t like them. They sing one of the worst songs in Disney history and take away important time from the plot.

9. The Sisterly Relationship is Weak: This movie boasts about having a great message of loving your sister but in all honestly, the message falls flat. We barely see the sister interact and the one who is trying to get the other to come out is Anna. We never see Elsa trying to reconnect with her sister or at least missing her. And again, this whole subplot of them being sisters just seems to be forgotten until the end at least.

I dislike the idea of Anna and Elsa as related to each other as sisters at all either.

10. Let It Go: Alright, the song is decent but the problem arises that it’s suppose to deliver this message about being yourself but that is completely forgotten literally right after the song. But the biggest thing? This song has been overplayed. I have heard it so many times and I am legit tired of hearing it. 

11. Some of the Songs are Terrible: After Let It Go, the rest of the songs are really forgettable. Kristoff’s song isn’t even really a song, Olaf’s song brings the movie to a halt and then the trolls sing one of the most vile songs I’ve heard.

12. Frozen Removed Important Female and POC Characters: For a movie that is all girl power, the directors decided to remove important females from the story. Oh and the whitewashed charecters as well. Wonderful.

None of the important female nor people of color/proof of concepts being removed at all.

13.The Designs are Lazy: Not just the same faceness but the snow and the ice doesn’t look that nice. The animation seems stiff and awkward at some times. Despite making a machine to make unique snowflakes, they still didn’t look that great.

Less lazy designs, different faceness, snow and ice looking nicer than ever, less stiff, less awkward animation, looking unique snowflakes greater than ever

14. This Movie is Overexposed: Dear god, it’s like the Pokemon craze but worse. Disney has made Frozen everything. Frozen drums, Frozen bras, Frozen vinyl records, Frozen toilet seats and more. Disney has also removed various other rides and attractions just to make room for more Frozen. Disney even made an extremely bland short featuring the Frozen crew and they’re making a Frozen 2. This movie is more overrated than Avatar.

I’ve probably forgotten some but I’m willing to add more if people want me too. Just leave me a reply and I’ll tell you


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film and a show, Once Upon A Time than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

Agreed. Some movies that made a big hit is mostly because of powers.


Any characters and any other characters who should've been in the movie, Frozen back then before too so far anyway. 3 months ago

Anna and Elsa's aunt Ingrid also showed the ability to manipulate cold. Ingrid and Elsa are both first born children in the Arendelle royal family. It is unclear what role this may play in the manifestation of the powers they show, but it could be that all first born members of the Arendelle royal family show the ability to manipulate the cold. Aunt Ingrid's existence is not mentioned in Frozen like it should've been back then before, but only just in the show, Once Upon a Time.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film and a show, Once Upon A Time than ever so far anyway 3 months ago

Crossovers with Song Of The Sea and Secret Of The Kells

Elsa not only just having magical powers

Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) not only just having magical powers either

More magical Elsa

More magical Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

Less stupid Sven

More relevant than ever

More preferable than ever

2d animation

Better comparisons to other movies than ever

The most all time unlikable song, Fixer Upper being taken out of the movie, Frozen


Any reasons and any other reasons why we like and we're obsessed with Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) so far anyway 3 months ago

Elsa's and Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time) cool ice powers are the reasons we like and we're obsessed with them.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a real better Disney film than ever so far anyway 2 months ago

These writers need lessons on what real Disney film look like so far, don't they? Yup. Frozen was unfortunately such a mess with plot and characters so there are reasons why the movie, Frozen was except for one song. Please, we've done strong independent women roles in Disney and this wasn't one of them at all. Explanations for Elsa's powers are really still needed and wanted too.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a real better Disney film than ever so far anyway 2 months ago

Grand Pabbie giving Elsa a good advice.

Parents being more honest with Anna and teaching Elsa how to use her cool powers with care and love

Elsa and Anna being educated

Less orphaned Kristoff

The mystery of the origin of Elsa's powers being discovered

More educated Kristoff

Being Less Rushed

Frozen being a better executed film/movie than ever

Longer than ever and less short

Frozen being much of a better story


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a real better Disney film than ever so far anyway 2 months ago

Plot being fully advanced.

More developed, more interesting, more amazing Elsa

More consistent plot

More coherent plot

The reasons why Tangled's more preferable than Frozen because Rapunzel's way more developed and interesting and Flynn/Eugene is amazing. Plus the plot was more consistent and more coherent.


Any reasons and any other reasons why you happen to be obsessed with Elsa so far anyway 2 months ago

Elsa is way more fabulous than that obnoxious Anna so she should've gotten more screen time.

The reason why's it hard to enjoy Frozen all because the movie barely focuses on poor Elsa.

I still miss the 2D animation though. I badly wanted to see the 2D animated/cartoon version of Elsa herself too, not only just the 3D animated/cartoon version of her.


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a real better film than ever so far anyway 2 months ago

Proper plot

Proper characters

Proper personalities


Any reasons and any other reasons why tales of royal Norwegian sisters of Aren-delle are hard to like, tolerate and enjoy so far anyway 2 months ago

Anna and Elsa - A Tale Of Royal Norwegian Sisters Of Aren-delle

Gerda, Helga and Ingrid (Fourth Season Of Once Upon A Time) - Another Tale Of Royal Norwegian Sisters Of Aren-delle


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a real better Disney movie than ever 2 months ago

More competent Elsa

More competent Anna

Less irking Anna

Less isolated Elsa

Less isolated Anna


Anything and anything else would make Frozen a real better Disney movie than ever 2 months ago

I can’t believe this is happening.  Why in the Hell are we bothering with this stupid review?  Whatever, anyway, that’s right, this article deserved a full-out CAPS assault to get your attention, and also to get more hits on Google.  Sometimes we do odd things around here.  We’re sure you all feel cool being ultra underground, learning about bands like Pollution, black metal from countries you never knew existed, movies most people are afraid to watch, it’s all just too cool.  So why in the Hell are we bothering with some pop-culture trash like Frozen?  That’s part of the beauty of being so elite and legit underground.  Part of the reason we got here in the first place is we got sick of the lack of substance and creativity above, and learning what that stuff really means down here, well, it enables us to completely trash pop-culture when it needs it.  That means yes, we are trashing this film.  We’re going to trash this piece of garbage in the most underground way possible, with a top ten list.

So, what are we all about here?  My wife and I, after hearing all the rave reviews from friends, some of whom we trusted until now, decided to take a quick Redbox trip and see what it was all about.  We saw Tangled a few years ago, and honestly it was a pretty good film and sometimes self-aware.  Groundbreaking?  No.  Something we’d watch again?  Sure, maybe, it was okay, and that’s fine.  Expected the same out of Frozen, but we received the agony of watching one of the worst films ever made.  We’re talking Waterishtarworldgate level here.  Yep, said it, this film sucks something awful like that portmanteau.  Here are the ten reasons why, in no particular order so that calling it a “top” list makes as much sense as calling the film “good.”  We hate it so bad around here it didn’t even deserve to be considered a media review, because it hints at the greater problems that Disney still has as a corporation interested in worldwide dominance of your pathetic mind.  But we had to stick to format.

 

1. Ruined the source content.

Sure, probably everyone knows that Frozen was based on Hans Christian Andersen’s genius The Snow Queen, but do you really know how far it diverged from the plot?  It’s a lot, like a really lot.  Adaptation is fine, but with such an ingenious story on so many levels, it hurts to see it so watered-down to appease a mass audience of fools.  The central factor here is it’s a fairy tale.  Fairy tales, by nature, require the audience to suspend reality, so if you mix too much of the “real” in there it degrades the idea of it all.  Hint, that’s exactly what Frozen does with The Snow Queen.  Luckily for true film fans out there, the Soviets, of all people, made a faithful, animated version of it in 1957, which you can watch for free right here.

2. Original altered to stock drivel.

This continues our first point.  Frozen in adapting, or better to say completely altering the original story, has simply utilized stock ideas from the Disney profit-princess concept to make another set of birthday party napkins for you toss in the trash, covered with cake that was so delicately designed with Elsa on the top of it.  That’s right, keep eating, go ahead, EAT ALL OF IT.  Really, it’s pathetic what they did.  Princess, guy to fall in love with who’s really not a good guy, other guy you know she’ll actually fall in love with, can it get more obvious?  There’s nothing wrong with sticking to a format, but an obvious format does not a good movie make, so stop right there.  It’s the most typical story ever told, without a lick of creativity.  If you make it obvious, you need to be very clever with the development. Some people think this was what was actually clever about it, but we’ll address that at the end.

3. Wooden characters.

Even for stock ideas of good/evil you need to have some attachments and dislike for characters.  Classic can be good, but only if you retain these sensations with proper development, which Frozen does not.  As soon as you see Kristoff, that rugged yo ho mountain man with his trusty sidekick elk you know immediately he’s going to be the main love interest.  He’s just there for a moment and you say, “yep, there’s that guy.”  The most obvious case of poor character focus is between Elsa and Anna, the two sisters.  So Elsa has this power that’s potentially dangerous, fine.  The movie then cuts to a song to explain their years growing together/apart, but because of how it’s pieced together, with no real explanation of certain things (we’ll get to this), and it’s done within a scant minute or so, the viewer is left unconnected to the core issues of the film.  Their parents die with no real meaning, because the tragedy isn’t developed.  Other characters are merely there for their stock roles and aren’t given enough space to evolve.  Will there, oh will there be a cute, lovable, comedy-relief creature of some sort who’s so lovably stupid you just have to buy the stuffed toy after?  YEP.  Is it really explained WTF he’s doing there in the first place?  NOPE.  SHUT UP TOY GET IN MY ARMS NOW HERE IS ALL MY MONEY.  Let’s get to that next.

4. Sidekick bullshit.

Really, honestly, does there have to be a God damn sidekick character in every frikken Disney film?  Why?  Why do you keep doing this?  So Elsa and Anna made a snowman or two in their youth, thus the main song this stupid movie is known for, and later he’s wandering around because he’s magical now and whatever.  So?  Does he really have to be there?  Sure, they make him have a little importance later in the plot, but the fact that you could do that with someone else and remove him from the rest of the film with no difference other than a removal of trite comedy says a lot.  We don’t need to have something to laugh at all the time, just once, please, can’t you just tell a story for a story instead of littering it with stupid comedy?  Sometimes serious is the better option.

5. Poor plot development.

The Snow Queen was an awesome story, you can read the entire thing in the link posted earlier.  Frozen‘s big problem is lots of critical plot development is scrunched into a two-minute song, merely assumed, or comes and goes so it quickly it loses effect.  When the parents die, you really don’t care.  They barely say more than two sentences in the movie anyway, so when their ship goes down it means nothing because the sisters forget about it so easily.  Actually, they don’t, but it’s all condensed into a song and you lose that sense of reality.  Elsa’s power is another example.  So she has this great power to control ice that’s potentially dangerous.  Where did it come from?  Why is it just assumed?  What is it’s purpose in the greater schema of this fantasy world?  Why are we given no details as to what it actually means?  Who in the living Hell would actually fall in love with a prince they literally just met and who 100% of the audience already knows is going to not be the one chosen at the end?  If it’s that obvious to a five-year old (true story), perhaps the characters themselves are complete idiots, and that explains the rest of it.  Don’t worry, we’ll be getting to that bit if you think we don’t get it, keep reading.

6. Random “wait WTF” shit.

Frozen has a ton of things merely assumed.  It goes along with our last point, but here’s a perfect example of it, the rock trolls.  Okay, cool looking, trolls, rocks, kind of like Rock Lords but not awesome, we’ll go with that.  Wait, why are they here?  Who are they exactly?  Why do the parents go to them for help in the opening scenes?  What function do they have in this world?  They’re just tossed right in there like the balls they resemble and you’re expected to simply consume their presence.  Sorry but no.  Or how about this.  So Elsa decides to leave her kingdom because she fears her powers, okay, sure.  Well, wait no.  First off, if love is the key to “curing” her, wouldn’t she have figured that out earlier?  “NO,” you say in CAPS.  But children have pure love, so umm, wouldn’t she have, you know, FIGURED IT THE HELL OUT EARLIER?  And why did they wipe Anna’s memories of what happened?  What’s the point of that?


Any reasons and any other reasons why Elsa's more preferable and more favorable than ever so far anyway 2 months ago

So people have a big problem of when the older sister, Elsa has a problem she runs or hides from it. That’s understandable, although no one ever taught her how to face your problems, in fact it’s not until Anna freezes to death that she finally learns to face her fears head on. Speaking of fear, that is Elsa’s main adversary in the movie and her main roadblock to getting back with Anna. Elsa allows her fear to take control of her life, so much so that she didn’t even attend her parents’ funeral. Elsa also seems to suffer from Haphephobia, the fear of being touched. Notice throughout the movie how Elsa barely touches anybody or lets people touch her, it’s her fear of harming others that makes her go into the mountains and create an ice palace. Speaking of which, I wanted to talk about Elsa’s breakout song Let It Go. And for God’s sake, it ain’t about Elsa coming out of the closet, its nowhere in the movie, cut that shit out! Elsa is finally free to use her powers and have as much fun as she wants, but she’s still running away from her problems. And when Anna tells Elsa that Arendelle is trapped in an eternal winter, she thinks she was foolish to run away from her problems. It takes her younger sister dying for her to realize hiding and running may not be the best idea. This in no way makes Elsa a weak character however; her pain and anguish make her more human and more relatable to the audience. Since Elsa and Anna are the driving force of the movie, not only do they have to be likeable, but also relatable as well, so I don’t understand these complaints of Anna being a bitch or Elsa not being all that interesting or other types of bullshit.


Any reasons and any other reasons why Elsa deserve a longer screen time than ever too so far anyway. 2 months ago

The thing that I will have the hardest time forgiving in this film is the criminally underdeveloped character of Elsa.  Even with her shorter screentime, she was by far the most interesting character in the cast.  Her powers, her pathos, even her design intrigue us and draw us in.  If you’re going to make the Snow Queen into a protagonist, this was the way to do it. But goddamnit why was she so backseated?  In the film’s beginning, I understood that we’d see less of her.  It made sense with her storyline.  After she fled and built her ice palace was the point in the film where I was genuinely the most excited.  It was so satisfying to see that painfully subdued character let loose and belt it all out, brimming with confidence.  It was such an open door for transformation, perhaps even for her to go a little dark and have her sister bring her back out of it later.  Nothing like that happened.  The next time we see Elsa after her big solo, the fear instantly comes back.  The confidence disappears.  She freaks out, and once Anna is chased away, Elsa is attacked, manipulated, imprisoned, and totally crushed by the story that she SHOULD have had the greatest influence over.  I remember wondering at several points after that horrid troll song, “Where the hell is Elsa, what happened to her— oh right in a cell”. Hell she was totally subdued by a man who literally had no physical power over her, who only needed to speak a few paltry lies to turn her into a heap on the ground.  Poor Elsa had agency only for a few minutes in this film before it was wrenched away again, and I would wish for a sequel to Frozen if only to see more of the woman who sang this song on the screen where she belongs.


Any/any other reasons why the actual creators/writers of Frozen should've saved Elsa from living in the forced isolation back then before 2 months ago

Well written

Proper character development

Stronger, better world building


Anything/else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 6 weeks ago

Anna constantly feeling overshadowed by Elsa

Elsa having a whole lot, way, far more controllable, tamer, more stable, safer ice, snow magical superpowers

Less isolated Elsa/Elsa being fully saved from living in the long time forced isolation.


Any/other ways to make Frozen a better Disney film than ever 6 weeks ago

What I mean: It's a film that, essentially suffers from an existential crisis throughout the entire two hours it runs. There's no better, stronger world building whatsoever, leaving too many unanswered questions the audience in regards to the magic and lore of the land. It's inferred the trolls know everything there is to know about magic, but it didn't explain how Elsa recieved her powers in the first place, leaving a pretty big unanswered question. Also, the decision to take a fantasy race usually isolated from magic's as the main sage magicians was an ...interesting choice, and would have worked out a bit better if the world was built up more. The plot is all over the place, with there being no clear antagonist until the final arc of the movie. Is the Duke of Weaselton supposed to be the antagonist? No, and he honestly doesn't even belong in the movie: in what way does this character move forward the plot? He doesn't, so why is he given such emphasis? Is Elsa supposed to be the antagonist? Through the film the audience is constantly being given conflicting views as to whether or not we are supposed to sympathsize with her or hate her, and we're never given our answer until the final arc of the movie, which is, ironically, when the real antagonist show his face: Hans. Since he is introduced as he antagonist in the final arc, it makes Hans' development as a villain feel rushed and unnatural. Such a sudden heel-face turn from charming benevolent prince to cold-blooded killer feels wrong, and considering there was no foreshadowing or dramatic irony leading up the reveal, it comes as a shock to even the most watchful moviegoers. Beyond the shock response, there is no reason for the audience to hate Hans, making him an ineffective villain all in all. The audience only hates him because he betrayed the trust that was willingly given in the first half of the film. Yes, he wants to usurp the throne and kill everyone off, but wouldn't that incentive be more effective if it were presented as such from the beginning of the movie? Give the viewers hints and clues that he is not what he seems, making the reveal of his plan much more suspenseful. Additionally, if it were addressed from the beginning, a large amount of the aimless plotless wandering that plagued most of the first three-quarters of the movie would be practically non-existant. In addition, the shock factor response wears off eventually; the impact of his betrayal means less and less to the audience each time they watch it. Part of the reason of the weakness and confusion in the beginning also stems from the fact that the movie is trying to juggle too many characters. Many named characters are completely unneeded and did not need to steal screentime (and by extension, valuble character development) from the main characters (Anna, Elsa, Kristoff, and I guess Hans). And the lack of character development is bad. Really bad. Anna doesn't feel like a real person, even by Disney standards. Elsa is a bit more believable, but her "development" is rushed and inferred instead of shown to the audience as it should be. Why was there such an emphasis on the parents in the beginning if they were only going to be killed off for plot fuel? And as an audience member, I did not feel any sadness for their death or for how Anna and Elsa were grieving. Having Elsa locked in her room for upmost of ten years was just...weird. There was absolutely nothing that justified it, making the isolation feel like a cheap way out for the writers to transition from childhood to adulthood. And beyond that, Arendelle is shown to be a peaceful kingdom, so it makes no sense that Anna would not be allowed to leave the castle and walk amongst the city. If magic exists in this world, why was Elsa locked away? Why was it a secret? All of these questions stem from weak worldbuilding that justifies very little of the events of the movie. There are so many unanswered questions that rise up from what happens inbetween childhood and adulthood. Is there a puppet monarch? Was magic seen as something negative or unknown? Why the trolls. Why the trolls. I'm sorry I just do not understand the trolls. The romantic subplot again ties into making the trolls feel even more forced and unneeded and the Hans reveal stale, I don't need to go into this. From a technically standpoint, the animation is subpar compared to its contempararies. Rise of the Guardians, a movie made a year before Frozen, had better ice effects. The particle effects and textures were nothing to write home about and the numerous clipping issues are clear evidence that the final product was rushed. The character design is the biggest complaint everyone has heard the most, but, Jesus Christ, oh my god it's bad. There's virtually no variation in character design. The facial structure of all the women are practically identical. Elsa, Anna, their mother, even Rapunzel all look 100% identical. Perhaps that wouldn't be such a problem if their body types were the same as well. There's no power of silouette in the film, something that is absolutely crucial to animated film, making Anna and Elsa blend together not only in the film, but in the industry itself. They do not stand out. They are blank and bland. The music is the only good thing, and that's only considering some songs. "Let it Go" and "First Time in Forever" are strong, powerhouse showtunes that actually move the plot forward, as songs in a musical should, but "Fixer-Upper" and "Love is an Open Door," while good, solid songs, do relatively nothing for the plot can could be omitted without sacrificing anything. "In Summer" is a total joke song that literally fades into nothing--I could not recall the tune if I tried, and "Do You Wanna Build a Snowman?" has a lot of potential but is, esentially, the same chorus repeated with little to no transition three times. It doesn't help that the song is also the most awkward contrived timeskip in the history of awkward contrived timeskips, again because it is never explained why Elsa is locked in her room at all. And the trolls and the--oh god. Please, all artists and writers, do NOT overlook the importance of worldbuilding. Even the dialogue is mediocre and does nothing to immerse the characters into the world around them. The resulting product is nothing but two hours of mediocrity masquerading as the best film of the decade in commercialization and ticket sales, but ultimately does nothing but leave a bad taste in the audience's mouth and will encourage Disney to continue making mediocre movies because they know they will sell and sell well.


Anything/else/any/other ways to make Frozen a better Disney film than ever 6 weeks ago

Eight problems I have with Frozen

It's been little over a year, so most of us have seen it, or at least have had "Let It Go' stuck in our heads on purpose, or treacherously against our will. Even so, with all the build up that led to the release of Frozen and even the hype afterwards leaves me a little agitated. No, it's not the Frozen themed everything in the supermarket (because seriously, when Shrek came out he was on ketchup bottles), or even the countless toys, garments, or parodies of every song found on the sound track. Things like that don't bug me, but what did was the entire movie itself. It is praised as this amazing and progressive movie (some argue as it being  the most progressive movie Disney ever), but my expectations are left half filled after my first viewing. I know Disney is trying to shake up their movies and try out new things (who doesn't want to be hip and modern?) but I don't think Frozen is a proper representation of Disney s best. Now, I'm not trying to be the Grinch this holiday season, but hear me out.

8 reasons that (somewhat) justify what I mean:

Reason 1: Frozen is a film that, first off, feels half done to me.

I'm not sure if they rushed the production or not, but that feeling came across to me immediately when I saw it in theaters. Essentially, this movie suffers from an experiential dilemma throughout the entire two or so hours that it runs. Elsa and Anna live in a thriving and beautiful kingdom, but we barely see any of it's vast elegance. The surrounding areas are only softly touched upon when we meet the trolls, and when the land is seemingly thrashed by a polar vortex of their own, everything is white and led from one place to the next. The world building in this movie is to be left to the viewers imagination, which leaves many unanswered questions for the audience in regards to the magic, charm, and lore of the land. It is inplyed that these trolls know everything there is to know about the magic and secrets of the land, but it does not explain how Elsa received her powers in the first place. For me, that leaves a pretty big unanswered question that I hope will not be sloppily explained and shoved into a second film. Alongside that, Elsa being the main magician and magic wielder of the film is an interesting choice, to say the least, and would have worked a lot better and made more sense if the world and it's history was built up more.

 

Reason 2: From a technical standpoint, the animation is sub par.

My first viewing of the movie was in a little movie theater, so I speculated that this could have added to what I thought about the animation. But after seeing it a few more times on different screens and in different formats, I knew I was right the first time I saw it. The characters movements in some scenes are so robotic and not lifelike, which bothered me incredibly every time I watched the movie. The textures and effects in Frozen were nothing to write home about and the movements of some of the characters just made it more and more obvious that the movie was a rushed project. There's essentially no diversity in character design and the facial structures of all the women are practically identical (yes, so progressive). Elsa, Anna, their mother, even Rapunzel from a completely different movie all look the same. I mean, I know they're related (except Rapunzel), but that is still completely weak on their part. There's no power of silhouette in the film, something that is absolutely crucial in animated films and games, which makes Anna and Elsa blend in with everyone else and the background. They don't have much substance to how they look except hair color and voice. Even their eyes are the same color. Elsa is blonde with blue eyes and Anna is brunette with blue eyes (which is insanely weird, I honest expected her to have green eyes). It's too weird. They are blank characters. They do not stand out. They are, in all honesty, quite bland.

 

Reason 3: The plot is all over the place.

Please don't say I'm the only one who thinks so, because it's pretty obvious to the average viewer. There is no clear antagonist until the final arc of the movie, which feels like the hugest cop out. We sit there, watching this movie and we think, is it the Duke of Weaselton? No, and he actually has no a true purpose  in the movie whatsoever. He had full potential to have more character development in order to bring more to the story, but drastically fell short. In what way does he further the plot? He doesn't, plain and simple, but what is then the reasoning behind giving him such an emphasis? I really don't know, I can't even answer that one for you. Now that we know it's not him, is Elsa supposed to be the antagonist? Through out the film, the audience is constantly being given conflicting views as to whether or not we are supposed to sympathize with her or dislike her character, and the audience never really delivered any answers, again, until the final arc of the film. Which, needless to say, is ironic because that is when the real antagonist shows his face: Hans.

 

Reason 4: Hans.

I just don't like his character whatsoever, at any point of the movie.  Since he is introduced as the antagonist pretty much near the end of the movie, it makes Hans' development as a villain feel rushed, awkward, and very unnatural. Such a sudden heel-faced turn from charming benevolent prince to cold-blooded evil killer feels wrong on so many levels, and considering there was no foreshadowing or dramatic irony leading up to the reveal, it comes as a shock to even the most watchful moviegoers. Though I will admit, it was a thought in my head as I watched the movie that Hans might be "that guy." During my first viewing I was so confused through out the story and the movie was blundering its way willy nilly. I was thinking it was Hans before it was suggested as so (which was not suggested until we were blatantly told). I was sadly expecting an amateur rabbit-from-a-hat trick from this movie, which offended and annoyed the people I was watching it with. I would tell them I bet it was Hans, he had to be evil! and so did Weaselton! (one thing I was definitely wrong about). But the audience I was sharing this with didn't want to hear that, they didn't believe it, and that is what the filmmakers wanted. They didn't want anybody to catch the bummer that this movie could have been.  Beyond that and the shock response that "everyone" had, there is no reason to hate Hans or any character in this movie, which subsequently makes Hans one of the most ineffective villains of all time. The audience only hates him because he abruptly betrayed the trust that was willingly given to him the first half of the film. Yes, he wants to take the throne for his own and kill everyone off (so typical), but wouldn't that insensitivity be more effective if it were presented as such from the beginning of the movie? Give the viewers hints and clues that he is not what he seems, making the reveal of his plan much more suspenseful. Additionally, if it were addressed  from the beginning, a large amount of the aimless plotless wandering that plagued most of the first three-quarters of the movie would be practically non-existent. That would have made the film much shorter and would cause more thoughtful planning to have gone, consequently pushing the release date back and that's not how movies are made nowadays.

 


Anything/else/any/other ways to make Frozen a better Disney film than ever 6 weeks ago

She's clumsy and awkward (which I admit even I fell in love with) but, besides that, all she has is empty character development. There isn't much substance to any of these characters, and they actually just seem to be pieces with irrelevant details for making a stereotypical "everyone is happy" movie. But their parents, why is there such an attention drawn to their parents in the beginning of the film if they are only going to be killed off to "fuel" the plot? As an audience member, I didn't feel any real sadness for their death and I didn't feel any real connection. Having Elsa locked up for almost ten years or so was just plain weird. There was nothing that justified it besides the fact that she was dangerous, there were no ifs ands or buts. Her being locked away felt like an easy way out for the creators to changeover  from childhood to present day. And, beyond that, Arendelle is shown to be a harmonious kingdom, so it makes no sense that Anna would not be allowed to leave the castle and walk amongst the city. If magic exists in this world, why is Elsa locked away? Why was it a secret? Did something happen between those who used magic and those who didn't? Was magic seen as something negative or unknown? I am left with no idea, and this brings us back to weak world building that justifies very little of the events of the movie.

 

Reason 6: The trolls.

Why the trolls? Why are there trolls? Why does Kristoff need to be connected to the trolls? I'm sorry, but I don't understand the trolls. Yes, they are cute, and kids love them, but their assistance feels just as awkward as many of the other characters. They play a part in the romantic subplot (I guess), but their world and much more is left to be questioned. The subplot just makes the trolls feel even more forced and superfluous as the big Hans reveal, and I don't want to get into all of that again.

 

Reason 7: The movie is not as revolutionary about the LGBT  community as every one seems to huff about.

There is a character in this movie who owns a trading post and sauna. His name is Oaken, and he won't hesitate to throw you out of his humble establishment. Every one has been ranting and raving about this character is the epitome of LGBT acceptance in this movie. I, for one, think not. Oaken says hello to his family, and the screen pans over to reveal many small boys and one rather bigger man. Is this Oaken's brother? Oldest son? Husband or significant other? I have no idea, and I didn't catch that scene the first time I saw it. The fact that it is so short and wouldn't have been noticed by many viewers until someone spilled the beans online, this wouldn't have been commonly recognized. This doesn't build any sort of "modern progression" to the LGBT community. I personally think it is intriguing and would like to assume it is his significant other, but it doesn't outwardly build any sort of radical progression that everyone is hyping about.

 

Reason 8: The music.

I do argue sometimes that the music is one of the only good things about the film, and that's only considering some of the songs at that."Let it Go" and "First Time in Forever" are strong, compelling showtunes that actually move the plot forward, as songs in a musical should. I will admit, though, when I first head "Let it Go" in theaters, I was waiting for Katy Perry's "Fireworks" to start after the first of let it go's. Let it goooo, let it gooo, like the fourth of juuuuuly. The build up seemed so common and so overdone, but hey, it's catchy right? That's what modern music and films are all about. Now on the other hand, let's talk about the rest of the soundtrack. Songs such as "Fixer-Upper" and "Love is an Open Door," while good, solid songs, do relatively nothing for the plot and could be omitted without sacrificing anything. "In Summer" is almost a gag song, very jokey and has no real reason to be in the movie-- I actually could not recall that song even if I tried my hardest. "Do You Wanna Build a Snowman" has become quite popular and you hear parodies of that specific song all of the time, but it is literally the same chorus repeated with little to no transition three times. And the trolls, good god why are there the trolls in this movie if they hold no substantial meaning or use? Even the dialogue is second-rate and does nothing to immerse the characters into the world around them, don't get me started on that again.

 

The resulting product of Frozen is nothing but two hours of mediocrity pretending to be the best film of the decade. Yes, there are fun and quirky characters that I myself adore, and some of the songs are pleasant and rather catchy. This adds to the appeal to the movie, but what detracts from it is too big for me to ignore. Ultimately, Frozen does nothing but fuel my love of quirkiness alongside of leaving a weird taste in my mouth and will encourage Disney to continue making mediocre movies because they will sell and they will make a considerable profit from it.

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