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4 Reasons Why Disney's Frozen Is Not Worth the Hype

Updated on July 1, 2016
Elsa, Prince Hans, Anna, Kristoff; Frozen, 2013.
Elsa, Prince Hans, Anna, Kristoff; Frozen, 2013. | Source

Although the film was a box office hit as well as the highest-grossing original animated movie of all time($398.4M), Disney's Frozen, has unforgiveable pitfalls that children of this generation cannot truly appreciate.

I could not help but notice all of the shortcomings of the film, and those shortcomings seemed to outshine the positives. Am I too grown up for Disney movies? Or did Frozen simply fall too short for the standards and expectations of those accustomed to the classics?

Of course I cannot help but be biased, considering I grew up in the '90s when Disney was in its prime; however, I am not difficult to please when it comes to anything Walt Disney, but Frozen was the first one that I was content with seeing only once.

The 4 Pivotal Shortcomings of Frozen:

#1: Lack of Background Information

Every Disney movie has a strong introduction that foreshadows the premise of the main plot. It foretells possible obstacles the protagonists might endure, who the protagonist is and why he/she is important, and gives us a summary of who the characters ultimately are (or going to become).

Beauty and the Beast's introduction introduces the prince who is turned into a beast because of his selfishness while also foreshadowing the premise that the spell must be broken by true love before the last petal falls.

The Lion King introduces the concept of the "circle of life" while Mufasa later goes on to tell Simba the ways of the kingdom, and how one day he will be king, too. This concept comes full circle in the end when Simba overcomes his deceitful uncle, Scar, while proceeding to majestically climb Pride Rock. Tangled efficiently ties together 18 years of details within the introduction: how Rapunzel was a princess, how she was stolen and why, and the importance of her hair. Frozen on the other hand, had an introduction that fell extremely short. Although we get some details, they are vague, choppy, and irrelevant for the most part. It fails to answer the most critical aspects that the audience needs answered.

Why is Elsa cursed? Did her parents sell their souls to the devil? Will she go on some crazy journey to find an explanation and perhaps, a cure? Who is Elsa besides being the main character? What makes her so important? Why should we care about her?

Before seeing the film, I thought that Elsa was the main character throughout the whole film, but the film is more about Anna and her juvenile fantasies as opposed to anything relevant and unique.

People seem to care more about recreating the "Elsa" braid, singing songs that don't fit the plot, and Olaf the snowman, than truly remembering (let alone, understanding) what the story was about.

Which one is supposed to be the primary antagonist?

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 Duke of Weselton and his sidekicks; Frozen, 2013.Prince Hans; Frozen, 2013.The pack of wolves; Frozen, 2013
 Duke of Weselton and his sidekicks; Frozen, 2013.
Duke of Weselton and his sidekicks; Frozen, 2013. | Source
Prince Hans; Frozen, 2013.
Prince Hans; Frozen, 2013. | Source
The pack of wolves; Frozen, 2013
The pack of wolves; Frozen, 2013 | Source

#2. It Lacks Character Development

What hurts the credibility of Frozen the most is probably the sheer lack of character development (or relevance for that matter). The trailer is extremely misleading to that fact as well. The title and the trailer adds to the assumption that Elsa is the main character and almost as if she is the antagonist. Whether she is the protagonist or antagonist, the audience is led to believe she will be more epic and involved in the film than it actually turns out.

Who is the protagonist? By making Elsa and Anna somewhat as of equal importance, it fails to provide a primary protagonist from the two. I understand the creators interest in trying to place the importance of sisterhood above romantic relationships, but that idea is not necessarily achieved. The only time that sisterhood seems to be the front-runner in the story line is when Elsa and Anna were children, Anna's quest to bring Elsa home, and the very end when, once again, Anna is sacrificing herself to save Elsa. Although it is clear that Elsa doesn't need or want a "prince charming," we see Anna consistently falling in love at the worst possible times. There really is no ideal notion of "sisterhood" besides the beginning and the end of the film.

  1. Elsa: Here we thought she was going to be some strong, independent, female character when in reality, she spends most of the film locked in her living quarters or sulking alone in her ice-castle. She proves to be just a depressing, cynical, and ultimately, a weak woman who has spent the majority of her youth sulking in her bedroom out of fear to harm the kingdom or Anna. Why didn't she use that time to get her powers under control? Why did the creators not utilize Elsa's potential to be a phenomenal character by using her perseverance in order to go on a quest to find a solution to the curse? Elsa had huge potential to make Frozen an unforgettable tale.
  2. Anna: She appears to be the protagonist. Although naïve and hungry for her "one true love," Anna is the one who ultimately saves the day. It isn't that I don't appreciate Anna's childlike innocence, her sincere actions, and the unconditional love she has for her sister. My problem is that by making her the shining center, she is less appealing to older audiences.
  3. Olaf (see: #4)
  4. Kristoff: Although he is a loveable character, there are just so many gaps in his own storyline to the point where he is almost expendable from the movie completely! Questions as to what happened to his parents, why him and the moose are best buds, why was he raised by trolls--- are all left unanswered.
  5. The Trolls: Why? Why? Why? More pointless than Olaf, the trolls should have never even been included in the plot. Yes, they were important in understanding the curse, but they did nothing but serve as an extra (or dare I say comedic relief) in the movie. Not to mention that the song they sing is the worst of them all.

Aside from who the protagonist should be, another sloppy mishap is that there is absolutely no true villain or antagonist.There are ultimately three different "antagonists" in Frozen: Prince Hans, the Duke of Weselton, and the pack of wolves. Not even all three combined could measure up to the iconic Disney villains such as Scar from the Lion King, Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty, or Jafar from Aladdin (just to name a few).

#3. The Soundtrack

One of the most important aspects to the major success of Disney movies is the soundtrack. Whether catchy or dark, upbeat or slower, the best Disney soundtracks are those that fit with the mood and purpose to the plot. The soundtracks are the 'means to an end' in that they flow with the storyline. For instance, The Lion King opens with "The Circle of Life" which is hands down just am amazing song.

  • Other songs include "I Just Can't Wait to Be King" (foreshadowing future events), "Be Prepared" (again, foreshadowing future events/moving the plot along), etc.

The songs in Frozen are catchy, yes, but they were inconsistent.

  • The majority of the music fails to provide any plot movement.
  • The first half of the film included many songs that lacked a purpose, while the second half of the film was completely lacking in any music up until the finale.

To sum things up, the author of Dr. Bok's Evil Movie Blog stated things perfectly:

  • "Some songs in Frozen are too poppy; definitely at odds with the opening chant in the film. While the chant does give an interesting sound, the succeeding pop tunes tend to diminish it, which is why when we finally hear that chant again when Elsa finally thaws Arendelle, one can’t help but feel that the motif was underdeveloped."
  • "Frozen’s musical numbers are distracting in the sense that it distracts you from the problematic script, and the storyline."

Olaf. Frozen, 2013
Olaf. Frozen, 2013 | Source

#4: Olaf the Insufferable Snowman

Since when was Olaf dubbed the shining star of Frozen? Not only is he just a pointless come-and-go character in the film, he's only a pointless character in order to be reproduced as a plush toy sold in stores all year round. I thought winter was over, but the franchise cannot seem to "let it go."

Ultimately, Olaf serves no purpose to the plot of the film. Although the trailer seemed to highlight him as a major character, Olaf was simply just an Elsa creation from her childhood. His character completely hinders any chance of depth that the plot truly needs. When things seem to get too touchy or too serious, there he is, providing a snappy phrase that is supposed to be funny but fails miserably. What about that solo song of his? Also pointless, and the whining that he's going to end up in the Disney graveyard only makes me wish he would melt and never come back.

Don't get me wrong, Olaf is a loveable character in his own right; but he did not belong in nor truly fit in Frozen like people think he did.

What do you think? Is Frozen worth all the hype?

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      Jeremy Hopkins 6 months ago

      Just recently watched Frozen for the first time. My thoughts immediately after watching it were, "That's the most poorly written Disney animation I have ever seen."

      I can't hardly believe how sloppy the script was for Frozen. What, exactly, happened to cause things to go so wrong and for the film to be released anyway?

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      Any/other reasons why Elsa deserve to be much more known about so far 9 months ago

      Explanations for Elsa's powers

      Elsa's depression should've been fully shown back then before, not only just being told.

      Elsa's personality characterization should've been less screwed up in the film back then before.

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      Anything/else/any/other ways to make Frozen a better Disney film than ever 11 months ago

      She's clumsy and awkward (which I admit even I fell in love with) but, besides that, all she has is empty character development. There isn't much substance to any of these characters, and they actually just seem to be pieces with irrelevant details for making a stereotypical "everyone is happy" movie. But their parents, why is there such an attention drawn to their parents in the beginning of the film if they are only going to be killed off to "fuel" the plot? As an audience member, I didn't feel any real sadness for their death and I didn't feel any real connection. Having Elsa locked up for almost ten years or so was just plain weird. There was nothing that justified it besides the fact that she was dangerous, there were no ifs ands or buts. Her being locked away felt like an easy way out for the creators to changeover  from childhood to present day. And, beyond that, Arendelle is shown to be a harmonious kingdom, so it makes no sense that Anna would not be allowed to leave the castle and walk amongst the city. If magic exists in this world, why is Elsa locked away? Why was it a secret? Did something happen between those who used magic and those who didn't? Was magic seen as something negative or unknown? I am left with no idea, and this brings us back to weak world building that justifies very little of the events of the movie.

       

      Reason 6: The trolls.

      Why the trolls? Why are there trolls? Why does Kristoff need to be connected to the trolls? I'm sorry, but I don't understand the trolls. Yes, they are cute, and kids love them, but their assistance feels just as awkward as many of the other characters. They play a part in the romantic subplot (I guess), but their world and much more is left to be questioned. The subplot just makes the trolls feel even more forced and superfluous as the big Hans reveal, and I don't want to get into all of that again.

       

      Reason 7: The movie is not as revolutionary about the LGBT  community as every one seems to huff about.

      There is a character in this movie who owns a trading post and sauna. His name is Oaken, and he won't hesitate to throw you out of his humble establishment. Every one has been ranting and raving about this character is the epitome of LGBT acceptance in this movie. I, for one, think not. Oaken says hello to his family, and the screen pans over to reveal many small boys and one rather bigger man. Is this Oaken's brother? Oldest son? Husband or significant other? I have no idea, and I didn't catch that scene the first time I saw it. The fact that it is so short and wouldn't have been noticed by many viewers until someone spilled the beans online, this wouldn't have been commonly recognized. This doesn't build any sort of "modern progression" to the LGBT community. I personally think it is intriguing and would like to assume it is his significant other, but it doesn't outwardly build any sort of radical progression that everyone is hyping about.

       

      Reason 8: The music.

      I do argue sometimes that the music is one of the only good things about the film, and that's only considering some of the songs at that."Let it Go" and "First Time in Forever" are strong, compelling showtunes that actually move the plot forward, as songs in a musical should. I will admit, though, when I first head "Let it Go" in theaters, I was waiting for Katy Perry's "Fireworks" to start after the first of let it go's. Let it goooo, let it gooo, like the fourth of juuuuuly. The build up seemed so common and so overdone, but hey, it's catchy right? That's what modern music and films are all about. Now on the other hand, let's talk about the rest of the soundtrack. Songs such as "Fixer-Upper" and "Love is an Open Door," while good, solid songs, do relatively nothing for the plot and could be omitted without sacrificing anything. "In Summer" is almost a gag song, very jokey and has no real reason to be in the movie-- I actually could not recall that song even if I tried my hardest. "Do You Wanna Build a Snowman" has become quite popular and you hear parodies of that specific song all of the time, but it is literally the same chorus repeated with little to no transition three times. And the trolls, good god why are there the trolls in this movie if they hold no substantial meaning or use? Even the dialogue is second-rate and does nothing to immerse the characters into the world around them, don't get me started on that again.

       

      The resulting product of Frozen is nothing but two hours of mediocrity pretending to be the best film of the decade. Yes, there are fun and quirky characters that I myself adore, and some of the songs are pleasant and rather catchy. This adds to the appeal to the movie, but what detracts from it is too big for me to ignore. Ultimately, Frozen does nothing but fuel my love of quirkiness alongside of leaving a weird taste in my mouth and will encourage Disney to continue making mediocre movies because they will sell and they will make a considerable profit from it.

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      Anything/else/any/other ways to make Frozen a better Disney film than ever 11 months ago

      Eight problems I have with Frozen

      It's been little over a year, so most of us have seen it, or at least have had "Let It Go' stuck in our heads on purpose, or treacherously against our will. Even so, with all the build up that led to the release of Frozen and even the hype afterwards leaves me a little agitated. No, it's not the Frozen themed everything in the supermarket (because seriously, when Shrek came out he was on ketchup bottles), or even the countless toys, garments, or parodies of every song found on the sound track. Things like that don't bug me, but what did was the entire movie itself. It is praised as this amazing and progressive movie (some argue as it being  the most progressive movie Disney ever), but my expectations are left half filled after my first viewing. I know Disney is trying to shake up their movies and try out new things (who doesn't want to be hip and modern?) but I don't think Frozen is a proper representation of Disney s best. Now, I'm not trying to be the Grinch this holiday season, but hear me out.

      8 reasons that (somewhat) justify what I mean:

      Reason 1: Frozen is a film that, first off, feels half done to me.

      I'm not sure if they rushed the production or not, but that feeling came across to me immediately when I saw it in theaters. Essentially, this movie suffers from an experiential dilemma throughout the entire two or so hours that it runs. Elsa and Anna live in a thriving and beautiful kingdom, but we barely see any of it's vast elegance. The surrounding areas are only softly touched upon when we meet the trolls, and when the land is seemingly thrashed by a polar vortex of their own, everything is white and led from one place to the next. The world building in this movie is to be left to the viewers imagination, which leaves many unanswered questions for the audience in regards to the magic, charm, and lore of the land. It is inplyed that these trolls know everything there is to know about the magic and secrets of the land, but it does not explain how Elsa received her powers in the first place. For me, that leaves a pretty big unanswered question that I hope will not be sloppily explained and shoved into a second film. Alongside that, Elsa being the main magician and magic wielder of the film is an interesting choice, to say the least, and would have worked a lot better and made more sense if the world and it's history was built up more.

       

      Reason 2: From a technical standpoint, the animation is sub par.

      My first viewing of the movie was in a little movie theater, so I speculated that this could have added to what I thought about the animation. But after seeing it a few more times on different screens and in different formats, I knew I was right the first time I saw it. The characters movements in some scenes are so robotic and not lifelike, which bothered me incredibly every time I watched the movie. The textures and effects in Frozen were nothing to write home about and the movements of some of the characters just made it more and more obvious that the movie was a rushed project. There's essentially no diversity in character design and the facial structures of all the women are practically identical (yes, so progressive). Elsa, Anna, their mother, even Rapunzel from a completely different movie all look the same. I mean, I know they're related (except Rapunzel), but that is still completely weak on their part. There's no power of silhouette in the film, something that is absolutely crucial in animated films and games, which makes Anna and Elsa blend in with everyone else and the background. They don't have much substance to how they look except hair color and voice. Even their eyes are the same color. Elsa is blonde with blue eyes and Anna is brunette with blue eyes (which is insanely weird, I honest expected her to have green eyes). It's too weird. They are blank characters. They do not stand out. They are, in all honesty, quite bland.

       

      Reason 3: The plot is all over the place.

      Please don't say I'm the only one who thinks so, because it's pretty obvious to the average viewer. There is no clear antagonist until the final arc of the movie, which feels like the hugest cop out. We sit there, watching this movie and we think, is it the Duke of Weaselton? No, and he actually has no a true purpose  in the movie whatsoever. He had full potential to have more character development in order to bring more to the story, but drastically fell short. In what way does he further the plot? He doesn't, plain and simple, but what is then the reasoning behind giving him such an emphasis? I really don't know, I can't even answer that one for you. Now that we know it's not him, is Elsa supposed to be the antagonist? Through out the film, the audience is constantly being given conflicting views as to whether or not we are supposed to sympathize with her or dislike her character, and the audience never really delivered any answers, again, until the final arc of the film. Which, needless to say, is ironic because that is when the real antagonist shows his face: Hans.

       

      Reason 4: Hans.

      I just don't like his character whatsoever, at any point of the movie.  Since he is introduced as the antagonist pretty much near the end of the movie, it makes Hans' development as a villain feel rushed, awkward, and very unnatural. Such a sudden heel-faced turn from charming benevolent prince to cold-blooded evil killer feels wrong on so many levels, and considering there was no foreshadowing or dramatic irony leading up to the reveal, it comes as a shock to even the most watchful moviegoers. Though I will admit, it was a thought in my head as I watched the movie that Hans might be "that guy." During my first viewing I was so confused through out the story and the movie was blundering its way willy nilly. I was thinking it was Hans before it was suggested as so (which was not suggested until we were blatantly told). I was sadly expecting an amateur rabbit-from-a-hat trick from this movie, which offended and annoyed the people I was watching it with. I would tell them I bet it was Hans, he had to be evil! and so did Weaselton! (one thing I was definitely wrong about). But the audience I was sharing this with didn't want to hear that, they didn't believe it, and that is what the filmmakers wanted. They didn't want anybody to catch the bummer that this movie could have been.  Beyond that and the shock response that "everyone" had, there is no reason to hate Hans or any character in this movie, which subsequently makes Hans one of the most ineffective villains of all time. The audience only hates him because he abruptly betrayed the trust that was willingly given to him the first half of the film. Yes, he wants to take the throne for his own and kill everyone off (so typical), but wouldn't that insensitivity be more effective if it were presented as such from the beginning of the movie? Give the viewers hints and clues that he is not what he seems, making the reveal of his plan much more suspenseful. Additionally, if it were addressed  from the beginning, a large amount of the aimless plotless wandering that plagued most of the first three-quarters of the movie would be practically non-existent. That would have made the film much shorter and would cause more thoughtful planning to have gone, consequently pushing the release date back and that's not how movies are made nowadays.

       

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      Any/other ways to make Frozen a better Disney film than ever 11 months ago

      What I mean: It's a film that, essentially suffers from an existential crisis throughout the entire two hours it runs. There's no better, stronger world building whatsoever, leaving too many unanswered questions the audience in regards to the magic and lore of the land. It's inferred the trolls know everything there is to know about magic, but it didn't explain how Elsa recieved her powers in the first place, leaving a pretty big unanswered question. Also, the decision to take a fantasy race usually isolated from magic's as the main sage magicians was an ...interesting choice, and would have worked out a bit better if the world was built up more. The plot is all over the place, with there being no clear antagonist until the final arc of the movie. Is the Duke of Weaselton supposed to be the antagonist? No, and he honestly doesn't even belong in the movie: in what way does this character move forward the plot? He doesn't, so why is he given such emphasis? Is Elsa supposed to be the antagonist? Through the film the audience is constantly being given conflicting views as to whether or not we are supposed to sympathsize with her or hate her, and we're never given our answer until the final arc of the movie, which is, ironically, when the real antagonist show his face: Hans. Since he is introduced as he antagonist in the final arc, it makes Hans' development as a villain feel rushed and unnatural. Such a sudden heel-face turn from charming benevolent prince to cold-blooded killer feels wrong, and considering there was no foreshadowing or dramatic irony leading up the reveal, it comes as a shock to even the most watchful moviegoers. Beyond the shock response, there is no reason for the audience to hate Hans, making him an ineffective villain all in all. The audience only hates him because he betrayed the trust that was willingly given in the first half of the film. Yes, he wants to usurp the throne and kill everyone off, but wouldn't that incentive be more effective if it were presented as such from the beginning of the movie? Give the viewers hints and clues that he is not what he seems, making the reveal of his plan much more suspenseful. Additionally, if it were addressed from the beginning, a large amount of the aimless plotless wandering that plagued most of the first three-quarters of the movie would be practically non-existant. In addition, the shock factor response wears off eventually; the impact of his betrayal means less and less to the audience each time they watch it. Part of the reason of the weakness and confusion in the beginning also stems from the fact that the movie is trying to juggle too many characters. Many named characters are completely unneeded and did not need to steal screentime (and by extension, valuble character development) from the main characters (Anna, Elsa, Kristoff, and I guess Hans). And the lack of character development is bad. Really bad. Anna doesn't feel like a real person, even by Disney standards. Elsa is a bit more believable, but her "development" is rushed and inferred instead of shown to the audience as it should be. Why was there such an emphasis on the parents in the beginning if they were only going to be killed off for plot fuel? And as an audience member, I did not feel any sadness for their death or for how Anna and Elsa were grieving. Having Elsa locked in her room for upmost of ten years was just...weird. There was absolutely nothing that justified it, making the isolation feel like a cheap way out for the writers to transition from childhood to adulthood. And beyond that, Arendelle is shown to be a peaceful kingdom, so it makes no sense that Anna would not be allowed to leave the castle and walk amongst the city. If magic exists in this world, why was Elsa locked away? Why was it a secret? All of these questions stem from weak worldbuilding that justifies very little of the events of the movie. There are so many unanswered questions that rise up from what happens inbetween childhood and adulthood. Is there a puppet monarch? Was magic seen as something negative or unknown? Why the trolls. Why the trolls. I'm sorry I just do not understand the trolls. The romantic subplot again ties into making the trolls feel even more forced and unneeded and the Hans reveal stale, I don't need to go into this. From a technically standpoint, the animation is subpar compared to its contempararies. Rise of the Guardians, a movie made a year before Frozen, had better ice effects. The particle effects and textures were nothing to write home about and the numerous clipping issues are clear evidence that the final product was rushed. The character design is the biggest complaint everyone has heard the most, but, Jesus Christ, oh my god it's bad. There's virtually no variation in character design. The facial structure of all the women are practically identical. Elsa, Anna, their mother, even Rapunzel all look 100% identical. Perhaps that wouldn't be such a problem if their body types were the same as well. There's no power of silouette in the film, something that is absolutely crucial to animated film, making Anna and Elsa blend together not only in the film, but in the industry itself. They do not stand out. They are blank and bland. The music is the only good thing, and that's only considering some songs. "Let it Go" and "First Time in Forever" are strong, powerhouse showtunes that actually move the plot forward, as songs in a musical should, but "Fixer-Upper" and "Love is an Open Door," while good, solid songs, do relatively nothing for the plot can could be omitted without sacrificing anything. "In Summer" is a total joke song that literally fades into nothing--I could not recall the tune if I tried, and "Do You Wanna Build a Snowman?" has a lot of potential but is, esentially, the same chorus repeated with little to no transition three times. It doesn't help that the song is also the most awkward contrived timeskip in the history of awkward contrived timeskips, again because it is never explained why Elsa is locked in her room at all. And the trolls and the--oh god. Please, all artists and writers, do NOT overlook the importance of worldbuilding. Even the dialogue is mediocre and does nothing to immerse the characters into the world around them. The resulting product is nothing but two hours of mediocrity masquerading as the best film of the decade in commercialization and ticket sales, but ultimately does nothing but leave a bad taste in the audience's mouth and will encourage Disney to continue making mediocre movies because they know they will sell and sell well.

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      Anything/else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 11 months ago

      Anna constantly feeling overshadowed by Elsa

      Elsa having a whole lot, way, far more controllable, tamer, more stable, safer ice, snow magical superpowers

      Less isolated Elsa/Elsa being fully saved from living in the long time forced isolation.

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      Any/any other reasons why the actual creators/writers of Frozen should've saved Elsa from living in the forced isolation back then before 11 months ago

      Well written

      Proper character development

      Stronger, better world building

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why Elsa deserve a longer screen time than ever too so far anyway. 12 months ago

      The thing that I will have the hardest time forgiving in this film is the criminally underdeveloped character of Elsa.  Even with her shorter screentime, she was by far the most interesting character in the cast.  Her powers, her pathos, even her design intrigue us and draw us in.  If you’re going to make the Snow Queen into a protagonist, this was the way to do it. But goddamnit why was she so backseated?  In the film’s beginning, I understood that we’d see less of her.  It made sense with her storyline.  After she fled and built her ice palace was the point in the film where I was genuinely the most excited.  It was so satisfying to see that painfully subdued character let loose and belt it all out, brimming with confidence.  It was such an open door for transformation, perhaps even for her to go a little dark and have her sister bring her back out of it later.  Nothing like that happened.  The next time we see Elsa after her big solo, the fear instantly comes back.  The confidence disappears.  She freaks out, and once Anna is chased away, Elsa is attacked, manipulated, imprisoned, and totally crushed by the story that she SHOULD have had the greatest influence over.  I remember wondering at several points after that horrid troll song, “Where the hell is Elsa, what happened to her— oh right in a cell”. Hell she was totally subdued by a man who literally had no physical power over her, who only needed to speak a few paltry lies to turn her into a heap on the ground.  Poor Elsa had agency only for a few minutes in this film before it was wrenched away again, and I would wish for a sequel to Frozen if only to see more of the woman who sang this song on the screen where she belongs.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why Elsa's more preferable and more favorable than ever so far anyway 12 months ago

      So people have a big problem of when the older sister, Elsa has a problem she runs or hides from it. That’s understandable, although no one ever taught her how to face your problems, in fact it’s not until Anna freezes to death that she finally learns to face her fears head on. Speaking of fear, that is Elsa’s main adversary in the movie and her main roadblock to getting back with Anna. Elsa allows her fear to take control of her life, so much so that she didn’t even attend her parents’ funeral. Elsa also seems to suffer from Haphephobia, the fear of being touched. Notice throughout the movie how Elsa barely touches anybody or lets people touch her, it’s her fear of harming others that makes her go into the mountains and create an ice palace. Speaking of which, I wanted to talk about Elsa’s breakout song Let It Go. And for God’s sake, it ain’t about Elsa coming out of the closet, its nowhere in the movie, cut that shit out! Elsa is finally free to use her powers and have as much fun as she wants, but she’s still running away from her problems. And when Anna tells Elsa that Arendelle is trapped in an eternal winter, she thinks she was foolish to run away from her problems. It takes her younger sister dying for her to realize hiding and running may not be the best idea. This in no way makes Elsa a weak character however; her pain and anguish make her more human and more relatable to the audience. Since Elsa and Anna are the driving force of the movie, not only do they have to be likeable, but also relatable as well, so I don’t understand these complaints of Anna being a bitch or Elsa not being all that interesting or other types of bullshit.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a real better Disney movie than ever 12 months ago

      I can’t believe this is happening.  Why in the Hell are we bothering with this stupid review?  Whatever, anyway, that’s right, this article deserved a full-out CAPS assault to get your attention, and also to get more hits on Google.  Sometimes we do odd things around here.  We’re sure you all feel cool being ultra underground, learning about bands like Pollution, black metal from countries you never knew existed, movies most people are afraid to watch, it’s all just too cool.  So why in the Hell are we bothering with some pop-culture trash like Frozen?  That’s part of the beauty of being so elite and legit underground.  Part of the reason we got here in the first place is we got sick of the lack of substance and creativity above, and learning what that stuff really means down here, well, it enables us to completely trash pop-culture when it needs it.  That means yes, we are trashing this film.  We’re going to trash this piece of garbage in the most underground way possible, with a top ten list.

      So, what are we all about here?  My wife and I, after hearing all the rave reviews from friends, some of whom we trusted until now, decided to take a quick Redbox trip and see what it was all about.  We saw Tangled a few years ago, and honestly it was a pretty good film and sometimes self-aware.  Groundbreaking?  No.  Something we’d watch again?  Sure, maybe, it was okay, and that’s fine.  Expected the same out of Frozen, but we received the agony of watching one of the worst films ever made.  We’re talking Waterishtarworldgate level here.  Yep, said it, this film sucks something awful like that portmanteau.  Here are the ten reasons why, in no particular order so that calling it a “top” list makes as much sense as calling the film “good.”  We hate it so bad around here it didn’t even deserve to be considered a media review, because it hints at the greater problems that Disney still has as a corporation interested in worldwide dominance of your pathetic mind.  But we had to stick to format.

       

      1. Ruined the source content.

      Sure, probably everyone knows that Frozen was based on Hans Christian Andersen’s genius The Snow Queen, but do you really know how far it diverged from the plot?  It’s a lot, like a really lot.  Adaptation is fine, but with such an ingenious story on so many levels, it hurts to see it so watered-down to appease a mass audience of fools.  The central factor here is it’s a fairy tale.  Fairy tales, by nature, require the audience to suspend reality, so if you mix too much of the “real” in there it degrades the idea of it all.  Hint, that’s exactly what Frozen does with The Snow Queen.  Luckily for true film fans out there, the Soviets, of all people, made a faithful, animated version of it in 1957, which you can watch for free right here.

      2. Original altered to stock drivel.

      This continues our first point.  Frozen in adapting, or better to say completely altering the original story, has simply utilized stock ideas from the Disney profit-princess concept to make another set of birthday party napkins for you toss in the trash, covered with cake that was so delicately designed with Elsa on the top of it.  That’s right, keep eating, go ahead, EAT ALL OF IT.  Really, it’s pathetic what they did.  Princess, guy to fall in love with who’s really not a good guy, other guy you know she’ll actually fall in love with, can it get more obvious?  There’s nothing wrong with sticking to a format, but an obvious format does not a good movie make, so stop right there.  It’s the most typical story ever told, without a lick of creativity.  If you make it obvious, you need to be very clever with the development. Some people think this was what was actually clever about it, but we’ll address that at the end.

      3. Wooden characters.

      Even for stock ideas of good/evil you need to have some attachments and dislike for characters.  Classic can be good, but only if you retain these sensations with proper development, which Frozen does not.  As soon as you see Kristoff, that rugged yo ho mountain man with his trusty sidekick elk you know immediately he’s going to be the main love interest.  He’s just there for a moment and you say, “yep, there’s that guy.”  The most obvious case of poor character focus is between Elsa and Anna, the two sisters.  So Elsa has this power that’s potentially dangerous, fine.  The movie then cuts to a song to explain their years growing together/apart, but because of how it’s pieced together, with no real explanation of certain things (we’ll get to this), and it’s done within a scant minute or so, the viewer is left unconnected to the core issues of the film.  Their parents die with no real meaning, because the tragedy isn’t developed.  Other characters are merely there for their stock roles and aren’t given enough space to evolve.  Will there, oh will there be a cute, lovable, comedy-relief creature of some sort who’s so lovably stupid you just have to buy the stuffed toy after?  YEP.  Is it really explained WTF he’s doing there in the first place?  NOPE.  SHUT UP TOY GET IN MY ARMS NOW HERE IS ALL MY MONEY.  Let’s get to that next.

      4. Sidekick bullshit.

      Really, honestly, does there have to be a God damn sidekick character in every frikken Disney film?  Why?  Why do you keep doing this?  So Elsa and Anna made a snowman or two in their youth, thus the main song this stupid movie is known for, and later he’s wandering around because he’s magical now and whatever.  So?  Does he really have to be there?  Sure, they make him have a little importance later in the plot, but the fact that you could do that with someone else and remove him from the rest of the film with no difference other than a removal of trite comedy says a lot.  We don’t need to have something to laugh at all the time, just once, please, can’t you just tell a story for a story instead of littering it with stupid comedy?  Sometimes serious is the better option.

      5. Poor plot development.

      The Snow Queen was an awesome story, you can read the entire thing in the link posted earlier.  Frozen‘s big problem is lots of critical plot development is scrunched into a two-minute song, merely assumed, or comes and goes so it quickly it loses effect.  When the parents die, you really don’t care.  They barely say more than two sentences in the movie anyway, so when their ship goes down it means nothing because the sisters forget about it so easily.  Actually, they don’t, but it’s all condensed into a song and you lose that sense of reality.  Elsa’s power is another example.  So she has this great power to control ice that’s potentially dangerous.  Where did it come from?  Why is it just assumed?  What is it’s purpose in the greater schema of this fantasy world?  Why are we given no details as to what it actually means?  Who in the living Hell would actually fall in love with a prince they literally just met and who 100% of the audience already knows is going to not be the one chosen at the end?  If it’s that obvious to a five-year old (true story), perhaps the characters themselves are complete idiots, and that explains the rest of it.  Don’t worry, we’ll be getting to that bit if you think we don’t get it, keep reading.

      6. Random “wait WTF” shit.

      Frozen has a ton of things merely assumed.  It goes along with our last point, but here’s a perfect example of it, the rock trolls.  Okay, cool looking, trolls, rocks, kind of like Rock Lords but not awesome, we’ll go with that.  Wait, why are they here?  Who are they exactly?  Why do the parents go to them for help in the opening scenes?  What function do they have in this world?  They’re just tossed right in there like the balls they resemble and you’re expected to simply consume their presence.  Sorry but no.  Or how about this.  So Elsa decides to leave her kingdom because she fears her powers, okay, sure.  Well, wait no.  First off, if love is the key to “curing” her, wouldn’t she have figured that out earlier?  “NO,” you say in CAPS.  But children have pure love, so umm, wouldn’t she have, you know, FIGURED IT THE HELL OUT EARLIER?  And why did they wipe Anna’s memories of what happened?  What’s the point of that?

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a real better Disney movie than ever 12 months ago

      More competent Elsa

      More competent Anna

      Less irking Anna

      Less isolated Elsa

      Less isolated Anna

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why tales of royal Norwegian sisters of Aren-delle are hard to like, tolerate and enjoy so far anyway 12 months ago

      Anna and Elsa - A Tale Of Royal Norwegian Sisters Of Aren-delle

      Gerda, Helga and Ingrid (Fourth Season Of Once Upon A Time) - Another Tale Of Royal Norwegian Sisters Of Aren-delle

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a real better film than ever so far anyway 12 months ago

      Proper plot

      Proper characters

      Proper personalities

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why you happen to be obsessed with Elsa so far anyway 12 months ago

      Elsa is way more fabulous than that obnoxious Anna so she should've gotten more screen time.

      The reason why's it hard to enjoy Frozen all because the movie barely focuses on poor Elsa.

      I still miss the 2D animation though. I badly wanted to see the 2D animated/cartoon version of Elsa herself too, not only just the 3D animated/cartoon version of her.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a real better Disney film than ever so far anyway 12 months ago

      Plot being fully advanced.

      More developed, more interesting, more amazing Elsa

      More consistent plot

      More coherent plot

      The reasons why Tangled's more preferable than Frozen because Rapunzel's way more developed and interesting and Flynn/Eugene is amazing. Plus the plot was more consistent and more coherent.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a real better Disney film than ever so far anyway 12 months ago

      Grand Pabbie giving Elsa a good advice.

      Parents being more honest with Anna and teaching Elsa how to use her cool powers with care and love

      Elsa and Anna being educated

      Less orphaned Kristoff

      The mystery of the origin of Elsa's powers being discovered

      More educated Kristoff

      Being Less Rushed

      Frozen being a better executed film/movie than ever

      Longer than ever and less short

      Frozen being much of a better story

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a real better Disney film than ever so far anyway 12 months ago

      These writers need lessons on what real Disney film look like so far, don't they? Yup. Frozen was unfortunately such a mess with plot and characters so there are reasons why the movie, Frozen was except for one song. Please, we've done strong independent women roles in Disney and this wasn't one of them at all. Explanations for Elsa's powers are really still needed and wanted too.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why we like and we're obsessed with Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) so far anyway 12 months ago

      Elsa's and Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time) cool ice powers are the reasons we like and we're obsessed with them.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film and a show, Once Upon A Time than ever so far anyway 12 months ago

      Crossovers with Song Of The Sea and Secret Of The Kells

      Elsa not only just having magical powers

      Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) not only just having magical powers either

      More magical Elsa

      More magical Ingrid (Once Upon A Time)

      Less stupid Sven

      More relevant than ever

      More preferable than ever

      2d animation

      Better comparisons to other movies than ever

      The most all time unlikable song, Fixer Upper being taken out of the movie, Frozen

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      Any characters and any other characters who should've been in the movie, Frozen back then before too so far anyway. 13 months ago

      Anna and Elsa's aunt Ingrid also showed the ability to manipulate cold. Ingrid and Elsa are both first born children in the Arendelle royal family. It is unclear what role this may play in the manifestation of the powers they show, but it could be that all first born members of the Arendelle royal family show the ability to manipulate the cold. Aunt Ingrid's existence is not mentioned in Frozen like it should've been back then before, but only just in the show, Once Upon a Time.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film and a show, Once Upon A Time than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      Agreed. Some movies that made a big hit is mostly because of powers.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film and a show, Once Upon A Time than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      1. The Plot has Pacing Issues and Plot Holes: Frozen’s plot is all over the place. Plot points like Anna’s erased memories and the whole ‘you can’t marry a man you just met’ are completely forgotten about after like five minutes. And the pacing isn’t much better either.

      Better pacing than ever.

      No plot holes nor no pacing issues at all

      2. Lack of Explanation: Elsa’s powers are never explained. How does Olaf come to life? Also, how did Elsa get her powers? She’s the only person in the royal family who has them. Plus, how did Arendelle function without their queen or a reagent?

      More explanations for Elsa's powers than ever

      3. Really Bad World Building: Not only are Elsa’s powers not explained but the world of Frozen itself is confusing. Rock trolls? How do they know the king? And how did no one in Arendelle try to find out what happened to the queen? Is Elsa the only woman with ice powers becuase it seems like the rock troll knew of others like Elsa. Again, none of this explained.

      Really Better World Building

      4. Extremely Forced Romance: The ‘romance’ between Anna and Kristoff is so forced it hurts. How forced is it? Anna has to be told that Kristoff loves her. By a secondary character. She doesn’t realizes he loves her until after Olaf tells her. And Kristoff’s attraction towards her comes out of left field and we don’t know why he suddenly is in love with her when all he has done is talk down to her.

      Less Forced Romance

      5. Kristoff Isn’t that Great: Good god, where do I begin? Kristoff isn’t just a bad love interest but he’s a totally boring character. It seems like he was literally created to be Anna’s love interest and nothing more. Even Naveen and Flynn had personalities outside of being love interests. We literally don’t know a single thing about Kristoff other than he likes ice. That’s literally it.

      Greater Kristoff, Less Boring Kristoff

      6. Elsa is Bland: Warning, this might be long. Despite Elsa being marketed as this great, interesting, strong female character she is none of that. The movie barely focuses on her and when it does, we see Elsa either running away or complaining. Instead of being a complex character like Ralph from WIR or Elephaba (she’s an Elephaba knock off at beast) she’s whiney, self absorbed and dangerous. She also seems to not care about the people of Arendelle or her sister for that matter. People claim she’s a feminist character but she really isn’t.

      Less Bland Elsa, More Interesting Elsa, Stronger Elsa, The movie focusing on her more than ever, More complex Elsa, Less whiny Elsa, Less self absorbed Elsa and Less dangerous Elsa, More caring Elsa and More feminist Elsa

      7. Olaf: Okay, I’ll admit that I think Olaf is cute and he had some funny moments. But good god was some of his comic relief forced. And sometimes, he takes away drama from certain scenes. 

      8. The Rock Trolls: These charecters are legitimately pointless. There is zero reason for them to be in the film and even Frozen fans don’t like them. They sing one of the worst songs in Disney history and take away important time from the plot.

      9. The Sisterly Relationship is Weak: This movie boasts about having a great message of loving your sister but in all honestly, the message falls flat. We barely see the sister interact and the one who is trying to get the other to come out is Anna. We never see Elsa trying to reconnect with her sister or at least missing her. And again, this whole subplot of them being sisters just seems to be forgotten until the end at least.

      I dislike the idea of Anna and Elsa as related to each other as sisters at all either.

      10. Let It Go: Alright, the song is decent but the problem arises that it’s suppose to deliver this message about being yourself but that is completely forgotten literally right after the song. But the biggest thing? This song has been overplayed. I have heard it so many times and I am legit tired of hearing it. 

      11. Some of the Songs are Terrible: After Let It Go, the rest of the songs are really forgettable. Kristoff’s song isn’t even really a song, Olaf’s song brings the movie to a halt and then the trolls sing one of the most vile songs I’ve heard.

      12. Frozen Removed Important Female and POC Characters: For a movie that is all girl power, the directors decided to remove important females from the story. Oh and the whitewashed charecters as well. Wonderful.

      None of the important female nor people of color/proof of concepts being removed at all.

      13.The Designs are Lazy: Not just the same faceness but the snow and the ice doesn’t look that nice. The animation seems stiff and awkward at some times. Despite making a machine to make unique snowflakes, they still didn’t look that great.

      Less lazy designs, different faceness, snow and ice looking nicer than ever, less stiff, less awkward animation, looking unique snowflakes greater than ever

      14. This Movie is Overexposed: Dear god, it’s like the Pokemon craze but worse. Disney has made Frozen everything. Frozen drums, Frozen bras, Frozen vinyl records, Frozen toilet seats and more. Disney has also removed various other rides and attractions just to make room for more Frozen. Disney even made an extremely bland short featuring the Frozen crew and they’re making a Frozen 2. This movie is more overrated than Avatar.

      I’ve probably forgotten some but I’m willing to add more if people want me too. Just leave me a reply and I’ll tell you

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film and a show, Once Upon A Time than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      The fully whole entire redemption of Prince Hans and all of his twelve big older brothers

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      More magical than ever

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why the idea portrayal role of Elsa and Anna as related to each other as sisters was a bad idea, wasn't a good/great idea at all anyway 13 months ago

      Don't get me wrong, a female Kai, Elsa's still the reason I love Frozen even though she's also inspired by the original, titular main snow queen herself but I just don't like the idea portrayal role of Anna and Elsa as sisters at all. Elsa's still the reason I love Frozen though. I don't like them as sisters at all either because of the strife after past thirteenth year separation ever since the accident/incident. Why do they had to portray them to be related to each other as sisters anyway? The idea portrayal role of them as sisters really angers me the most because of the fight/argument. Ugh. Anna's so insufferable. I don't even like the idea portrayal role of Anna as a royal princess at all either. Ugh. She's not only just disgusting but she's also insufferable. At least Gerda from The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen is less insufferable. Love hate relationships are insufferable anyway, aren't they? They're the reason it's hard to enjoy reading and viewing. I can't stand them being portrayed as sisters at all. Them being portrayed as royal sisters was the worst idea ever. It's all because of the strife at the coronation party after the past thirteenth year separation/separate isolations. Let's face it. Elsa would've been better off being part of the all extraordinary magical/powerful ice, snow royal Norwegian family than the all ordinary royal Norwegian family of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time anyway. Elsa would've been better off growing up in the royal Norwegian ice palace than in the royal Norwegian kingdom of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too anyway. Elsa especially would've been the ice, snow queen of the ice palace the same way Anna would've been the queen of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too. The sisterly drama tension strife scene at the coronation before the eternal winter was the worst, most all time painful, most all time upsetting, most all time insufferable scene ever so far. Anna and Elsa are the WORST sisters ever so far anyway. Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck should've had anybody kidnap Elsa for her ice powers by taking Elsa away from Aren-delle. Let's face it. Anna and Elsa were never ever even great sisters at all because they barely spend time together. Neither Anna nor Elsa ever even deserve to be portrayed as related to each other as sisters, especially not as orphaned sisters at all either. Their relationship feels extremely fake anyway. Neither Anna nor Elsa should ever even portrayed to be related to each other as sisters, especially not as orphaned sisters at all either back then before. Man, It's tough and hard to like that disgusting, gross, ugly idea portrayal role of Anna as a real full fledged royal princess. Elsa should've been portrayed as the real royal ice princess in the movie, Frozen back then before for crying out loud. Don't you mean Anna and Elsa Not Being Portrayed As Related To Each Other As Sisters, Especially Not As Orphaned Sisters? Yes or no? Lilo and Nani are so much better than Elsa and Anna. Honestly, one of my major issues with Frozen was that I never believed that Anna loved Elsa. No one whose sane would still adore their sister after 10+ years of being ignored. If Elsa was and had been taken away back then before in the movie, Frozen, then it would've worked. It's actually one of my pet peeves with family movies. This idea that you have to love a person because they're family. No you don't! That's a bad lesson! Bad families exist and Anna's just happened to be one. The idea portrayal of Elsa and Anna as related to each other was the most all time, most insufferable, worst nightmare ever anyway. Let's face it. Love hate relationships are insufferable, aren't they? Their sisterly relationship is poorly written, isn't it? That's why I'm satisfied that you put this one on this list all because the idea portrayal of them as related to each other as royal sisters of Aren-delle was the most all time worst nightmare ever so far anyway. Let's face it. The idea portrayal of Anna as a full fledged royal princess wasn't a good idea at all. Man, Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck should've portrayed her as a pretty sleeper, not some gross, disgusting, ugly sleeper. I can't handle any princesses nor any other princesses being portrayed as not so pretty sleepers at all. Anna would've been better off being portrayed as a beautiful non royal village girl anyway. You know, when I first saw the trailer, I thought Elsa was a princess and Anna was a beautiful village girl. They soon become friends until Elsa runs away and Anna meets somebody called Kristoff. That would've made the movie much better. I'll have you know I don't like the idea portrayed of Hans being portrayed as a villain at all because you just wanted to use him as an excuse for Elsa and Anna to make up with each other and be best sister friends just like the creators of the movie, Frozen did, aren't you? However, I'm glad Elsa wasn't portrayed as a villain at all though. The idea portrayal of Anna and Elsa as related to each other as orphaned sisters was a total nightmare. Ugh. Man, the idea of Anna and Elsa living and being isolated together with each other in Aren-delle during their forced separation is the most all time worst nightmare ever so far. UGH. I CAN'T NOR COULDN'T STAND THE IDEA OF ANNA AND ELSA LIVING AND BEING ISOLATED TOGETHER WITH EACH OTHER IN AREN-DELLE DURING THEIR FORCED SEPARATION/ESTRANGEMENT IN THE MOVIE, FROZEN AT ALL. THE THE IDEA PORTRAYAL OF ANNA AND ELSA AS ORPHANED SISTERS IS THE OTHER MOST ALL TIME WORST NIGHTMARE. I dislike the idea portrayal of Anna and Elsa as sisters from the start all because of the argument. Them being related to each other as sisters was the worst idea ever. They would've been better off being portrayed as unrelated to each other anyway. Elsa would've been better off being raised in the ice palace anyway. Ingrid, Helga and Gerda (Once Upon A Time) are just another tale of royal Norwegian sisters of Aren-delle, aren't they? Ingrid and Helga are the ones who should've been in the movie, Frozen back then before.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) should've been in the movie, Frozen back then before so far anyway, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time 13 months ago

      Elsa has ice powers just like Ingrid. Cool but there's still gotta be any other royals of Aren-delle who were also born with cool ice powers besides only just Elsa and even Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) so far, right?

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why the movie, Frozen and the show, Once Upon A Time would've been a real nice connection back then before so far anyway 13 months ago

      However if we move away from the movie Frozen and back to the original Snow Queen story, then the heroine's name was Gerda. Now where it get's kind of hinky was Gerda was not the Snow Queen's sister. But Snow Queen fans can't have it all. I'm actually really excited as a Snow Queen and Frozen fan that they are using OUAT to both respect the original fairy tale, and make it work with the new and amazing movie.

      Except they are NOT making any connection between the Queen being Gerda from the Snow Queen - WHILE dumping on a character that was there. The MOVIE already did an easter egg nod to the Snow Queen by having Gerda and Kai in Arendelle as adults all along. Gerda had lines in several scenes and was the Arendelle citizen who was also completely taken in by Hans. It looks like the writer/producer just read the credits where the Queen was not listed (because Jennifer Lee spoke only one line for her) and assumed that Gerda was the Queen's name.

      No. They named her Gerda on purpose. They are going to revamp the old fairytale. Gerda had her best friend taken by the Snow Queen in the original. OUAT is going to play on that by turning the best friend into Gerda's sisters. The Snow Queen is still the vilian but in the same way Luke Skywalker was told that Vader murdered his father. The Snow Queen destroyed/took Ingrid.

      It looks like Elsa and Anna ain't the only royal sisters of Aren-delle at all so Ingrid, Helga and Gerda (Once Upon A Time) are also the other royal sisters of Aren-delle too. I do wish Ingrid and Helga (Once Upon A Time) were in the movie, Frozen back then before too like they deserve to be so far, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time. I also just wish the Nordic royal family from The Trolden Glass (only just mentioned in the show, Once Upon A Time) were in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too back then before, not only just being mentioned in the show, Once Upon A Time.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 13 months ago

      What annoyed me was the true love’s kiss thing. She thinks only by kissing someone she will be healed? Barf. Vomit. Puke. Throw up.

      Oh my gosh you’re right! I never realised her first assumption was ‘True love means kisses!!’. It’s a really shallow sort of understanding, and… I like it! I would’ve kept that in actually!

      It COULD have worked to show that Anna has a very poor understanding of what love is. And when she gets thawed at the end, she realizes she’s wrong, and grows as a person. Only, she never ever even does. The writers refused to set aside any time to show that the experience changed her and taught her anything, she never discusses her growth with anyone, not even her sister. She has, for all intents and purposes, NO GROWTH. All that has happened is that she’s okay with punching Hans, that’s it. She’s still as awkward and childish and teehee so adorbs as ever, which is a shame and a great big waste. (And it’s not as if they couldn’t sacrifice one of the numerous unnecessary songs for the time. I’m still annoyed the girls never got to discuss their parents after their death. Ugh.

      Setting aside any time to show that the experience changed and taught Anna anything.

      Anna growing as a person.

      Anna discussing her growth with anybody, even Elsa.

      Less awkward Anna

      Less childish Anna

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 13 months ago

      Anna and Elsa don’t have other supporting female characters around them. While Pocahontas has her best friend Nakoma, Aurora has her fairies and Cinderella’s whole movie is filled with female characters, Anna and Elsa basically only have each other. They never speak to any other female characters for the entire movie. Other articles have similarly talked about the original Snow Queen fairy tale, and complained that Disney threw away its great cast of supporting female characters in favor of male ones. And it is disappointing that Anna and Elsa are the only non-troll female characters we see. But, at the risk of repeating tired anti-feminist arguments, the movie doesn’t have room for other significant female characters.

      Anna and Elsa not the only non female characters of the movie, Frozen

      The movie, Frozen have any room and any other room for other significant female characters also.

      The entire movie not structuring around Anna and Elsa’s isolation nor loneliness.

      Anna having a female best friend forever in the palace, her narrative arc would be completely different as a result.

      Less shallow Anna

      More intelligent Anna

      Less dumb Anna

      Anna being aware of limitations and the consequences of her actions.

      Less rude Anna

      Less talkative/less mouthy Anna

      Anna not talking too fast

      More useful Anna/Less useless Anna

      Less oblivious Anna

      Less stubborn Anna

      Anna having a pretty face

      Anna having friendships with servants and other people in the castle of Aren-delle if only Elsa was kidnapped by being taken away from Aren-delle back then before

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why neither Prince Hans nor even any of his twelve big older brothers ever even deserve to be portrayed as the true villains of Frozen nor Once Upon A Time at all 13 months ago

      “To be honest, I dislike it when people refer to Hans as a sociopath. Everyone is allowed to have alternate character interpretation, but it creates a negative stigma about “bad” abuse victims. If you read A Frozen Heart, Hans seems to be severely depressed (and is implied to even hurt himself to feel), not sociopathic.”

      I just chalk up his random turn to evil ad extremely bad writing

      A spinoff of Hans childhood would be a better story that Frozen.

      I find it weird when everyone defends Elsa because she has mental illness but no one pats an eye on how terrible Hans’ life is. Elsa at least still gets treated like a princess/queen, still receive love from her relatives while no one cares about Hans’ existence. I 
BTW, I heard somewhere said that Hans lives in a barn, is this true or false?

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why neither Prince Hans nor even any of his twelve big older brothers ever even deserve to be portrayed as the true villains of Frozen nor Once Upon A Time at all 13 months ago

      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far

      Hans's veneer of kindness not melting away

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why Tangled's better than Frozen so far anyway 13 months ago

      Eugene/Rapunzel: ‘FUCK ME RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF THE PRIEST!’ ‘I WILL!’

      Kristanna is pointless, meanwhile those two ought to get a room

      Kristanna is forced and unnecessary.

      Kristoff & Anna barely know each other for about 2-3 days while Rapunzel & Flynn have been together for years, guys…

      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far

      Less mistreated Kristoff

      Less abandoned Kristoff

      Kristoff not being raised by the rock trolls

      Kristoff being raised by his human family

      Known about wherever Sven came from so far

      Elsa being kidnapped by being taken away from Aren-delle

      Less orphaned Elsa

      Less isolated Anna

      Less lonely Anna

      Less naive Anna

      Less orphaned Anna

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why Tangled's better than Frozen so far anyway 13 months ago

      Eugene/Rapunzel: ‘FUCK ME RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF THE PRIEST!’ ‘I WILL!’

      Kristanna is pointless, meanwhile my honeyboos ought to get a room

      Kristanna is forced and unnecessary.

      Kristoff & Anna barely know each other for about 2-3 days while Rapunzel & Flynn have been together for years, guys…

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why Gerda (The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen the original fairytale story) is better than Anna (Frozen) so far anyway 13 months ago

      The Snow Queen’s message can be distilled down into ‘childish innocence is important and right, but sometimes lost in the transition into adulthood - it is your choice to retrieve it again’. Note how both Anna or Elsa were stripped of their autonomy and ability to choose.

      Also note how Gerda was portrayed as the moral right in The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen - she never has to change who she is because she’s in the right. But Anna’s childishness is shown here as a kind of foolishness - she is consistently told she’s wrong to marry Hans, she’s misinformed about how warm she must dress, she underestimates her sister’s mental state, etc. She’s consistently told ‘your childishness is wrong, Anna!’ - to a point where she has to question her own morality on love - whereas no one would tell Gerda that. Man, they could've portrayed Anna as a less of an insult to Gerda back then before.

      And also note that Elsa’s Let It Go song is widely considered ‘empowering’ for women for one reason or another - but when you consider that it’s equal in the original is portrayed as Kay’s spiritual low point, you realise how perverted Frozen is compared to its original. 

      Then he cried as loud as he could, but no one heard him… and he tried to repeat the Lord’s Prayer; but all he could do, he was only able to remember the multiplication table.

      So, there you have it. The Little Mermaid is by no means perfect, but it’s a relatively minor offender.

      Still, it should be noted that The Snow Queen is a story that children are MEANT to read, so they can remember to be kids well into adulthood. 

      I come from a generation of kids that refused to read the original Mermaid tale when I discovered how ‘It’s not like the Disney movie!’ - and I wasn’t able to appreciate it’s meaning until years later. For Frozen to do this yet again, and this time depriving the story of it’s original message to it’s original target audience, is a travesty in itself..

      Instead of Kristoff, we should've had a cute proof of concept little robber thief girl from the original fairytale story of The Snow Queen, and Sven should've been her pet reindeer like how in the story, Gerda receives the reindeer Bae from her. Instead we got a overconfident jerk who mocks Anna throughout most of their adventures for not having experience in the outdoors, when she's been trapped indoors for eighteen years. Kai would've been awesome too, as Anna's only childhood friend who she sneaked out of the castle to see, or something back then before in the movie, Frozen.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why the idea portrayal of Anna and Elsa as related to each other as sisters, especially as orphaned sisters wasn't a good/great idea at all but a bad idea so far anyw 13 months ago

      The reason why's it so hard to like Anna (Frozen) because she is the worst character from Frozen all because she's just a total insult to the original heroine of The Snow Queen but a female Kai, Elsa's cool though so she's still the reason I love Frozen but some total insult to Gerda the original heroine of The Snow Queen is the reason Frozen was a terrible movie! There are reasons why I hate Anna, she is one of the worst characters to come from a Disney movie, and she's the reason Frozen was crap anyway. Anna was annoying, stupid, clumsy and they thought making her goofy would make her more relatable and cute but all it did was make her took stupid, plus she is ugly and her voice was awful.

      Less annoying

      Less stupid Anna

      Less clumsy Anna

      Less goofy Anna

      Less ugly Anna

      Anna's voice being less awful (No offense to Kristen Bell)

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why the idea portrayal of Anna and Elsa as related to each other as sisters, especially as orphaned sisters wasn't a good/great idea at all but a bad idea so far anyw 13 months ago

      The drastic change to Frozen’s original plot that made everyone love the villain

      yuri–senpai:

      a new ABC special, ”The Story of Frozen” exposes the one big change that could’ve cost the studio its mega hit.

      Elsa was originally the bad guy.

      But as Robert Lopez and Kristen Anderson-Lopez, the movie’s songwriting team, started exploring Elsa’s character in order to write her signature song, they found themselves unable to villify her. Instead they couldn’t help but empathize with her.

      Kristen says,

      We were still writing a villain song and we started getting into the head-space of what you’d feel like if you were that isolated.

      And then they wrote “Let It Go” and everything changed.

      The movie’s screenwriter and director Jennifer Lee explains…

      Elsa was going to be the complete antagonist. They kept calling her the “villain.” But there came a point where we said, “We can’t use that word anymore.” You care about someone who’s been forces to hide who they are. Elsa’s not a villain, she just makes some bad choices because she’s in a very difficult situation.

      Elsa, before and after…

      In early sketches, the story revolves around a peasant girl, Anna, who asks an evil Snow Queen — Elsa as she was originally imagined — to freeze her broken heart. As you can see, Elso looked totally different, complete with light blue skin; short, spiky blue hair; and a coat made of live weasels.

      But then they became sisters…

      Fortunately, Elsa went through a transformation, much like the one she goes through in the movie — and became a beloved, yet misunderstood co-protagonist. Lee describes a major breakthrough among the screenwriters…

      The issue that kept coming up is, “What do Anna and Elsa have to do with each other? Why does it matter, and how could it matter more?” Someone in the room said, “What if they were sisters?”

      And with that the entire tone of the movie changed…

      Elsa became more the yin to Anna’s yang, as opposed to the bad guy.

      Disney even hosted a “Sister Summit,” where women from Disney Animation discussed their relationships with their sisters, in order to strengthen the one between Anna and Elsa and make it more relatable to viewers.

      I dislike the idea portrayal role of Elsa and Anna as related to each other as sisters, especially orphaned sisters.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why the idea portrayal of Anna and Elsa as related to each other as sisters, especially as orphaned sisters wasn't a good/great idea at all but a bad idea so far anyw 13 months ago

      Anna: An ass who married a man she just meet. She's just a total insult to Gerda the original heroine of The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen anyway.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why the idea portrayal of Anna and Elsa as related to each other as sisters, especially as orphaned sisters wasn't a good/great idea at all but a bad idea so far anyw 13 months ago

      I saw Elsa and Anna more as friends who haven't seen each other in years instead of sisters. Was I the only one who felt like that?

      Nope. To be honest, as much as I know Anna loves Elsa, it’s kinda hard to feel the actual sisterly-connection.

      (That’s part of why I vastly prefer some of the older ideas for the story and deleted scenes/songs. You get more “sisters” feels in three minutes than you do an entire movie.)

      -K

      It’s the way they talk and act around each other. After not seeing each other for years, they just say ‘hi.’ That’s it? You guys aren’t going to talk about anything important? When was the last time you two saw each other?

      And it’s really frustrating to hear people say this movie does such a good job with portraying sisterly relationships when the sisters barely spend ANY time together.

      “It really bothers me that Anna and Elsa don’t seem to have any real conversations. Why don’t they talk about their abusive parents or even talk about Elsa shutting Anna for all those years? I think that is why their sisterly realtionship is so lacking because they don’t seem to do anything real sisters do.”

      The writers of the movie have ONE job and it’s to tell the story right, which they didn’t. 

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      3. It did not make the lead characters odd-looking, but instead kept them pretty

      Despite the feminist brouhaha over Lino DiSalvo’s remark that Disney princesses need to look pretty, he was absolutely correct in both his idea and his word choice. The fact is that people do have a natural longing for beauty and an aversion to that which is unappealing. […]

      In the wake of Mr. DiSalvo’s remarks, numerous angry resenters have created their own redesigns of the Frozen characters, all of which have been pointedly off-putting, some even outright grotesque. Few people would wish to watch Frozen if it featured such unappealing character designs. […]

      4. It did not make Elsa an aggressive tomboy, but made her feminine, vulnerable and graceful

      Not just Disney, but most feature films these days feature female leads who are tomboyish and aggressive (and often blessed with implausible kung-fu skills and the laughable ability to physically defeat male antagonists who are completely out of their weight class). […]

      [….]

      6. It did not anachronistically flood 19th-century Norway with 21st-century “diversity”

      Doing so would have immediately taken the viewer out of the story and made him aware that he was watching a politically revised world. It would have broken the spell. […]

      7. It did not present Elsa legislating or governing

      Though Elsa is a princess who is crowned queen, there are no tedious scenes with transparent modernist themes of “women in power” showing Elsa as a quasi-CEO or a politician. […] This is another example of how Frozen avoids pushing a gratingly modern, political agenda but instead keeps its storyline timeless.

      friendly reminder that Frozen is bad enough to make people genuinely think its weaknesses are strengths.

      “it made the females eye candy”

      “it made elsa weak and incapable”

      “UGH DIVERSUTY SUXXXX”

      “it never showed elsa dOING HER FUCKING JOB”

      idk those sound like shit weaknesses to me m8

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      “I find it kind of scary how Frozen glosses over the fact that Anna’s memories are altered and it’s not clear if she’ll get them back or even can get them back. I suffer from dissociative amnesia due to some traumatic childhood events and my memory issues have always been one of the primary things that has caused me a lot of identity issues. I really wish Frozen had explored that a little more, or at the very least showed how disorienting fake memories can be. It’s not a fun ride.”

      More great opportunities this film had, wasted away

      I could see Anna getting amnesia from a strike to the head, but someone purposefully altering her memories so she forgets her sister has ice powers? When all you had to do was heal her so she wouldn’t freeze to death?? What was the point of taking away her memories?? It makes no sense and it’s such a load of bull and not to mention it created a downward spiral of such familial dysfunction in this movie.

      Anything to add rootbeersweetheart?

      I’m glad I’m not the only one bothered by this.

      There was no reason to remove Anna’s memory and in a way, it’s somewhat abusive. Anna gets no say in this. It’s really upsetting.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      Like I have nothing wrong with quirky characters but they there has to be more too them. And I really wanted to like Anna. Like I really, really, really wanted to like her but I just can’t because she’s written to just be one-dimensional and it’s a shame. She was oozing with potential but Disney just decided to be lazy. And it seems now that the popular trope is to have these ‘quirky’ girls who had little personality and are just here to be ‘random.’

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      I have a lot of thoughts on the nonsense regarding Elsa’s powers and a great portion of it involves how much of a not a real issue the subject of them being dangerous actually is. 

      For the moment I’m gonna ignore the whole ‘cursed my kingdom because I don’t feel the cold lol’ bullshit in Let It Go, because by that point Elsa is an adult and she spent an honest majority of her life under the impression that her powers were dangerous without them being that way just yet, so it’s a given that they would be that way when she stops caring about anything in general and after over a decade of conditioning, being taught to think that her powers can do nothing but hurt people. Or, y’know, her powers were written that way because the movie needed some dumb conflict when in reality if her powers ever had the potential to get that bad, they would’ve done it a LOT sooner.

      Let’s be honest, if Elsa and her powers were actually, consistently dangerous and uncontrollable, she and Anna would never have played games as children. That kind of thing had the potential to manifest in many ways aside from Anna being hit in the head; like, Elsa made the ice too slippery and Anna (predictably) slipped and fell, or the snow mounds were too weak/not packed enough, and Anna would sink into one. But they played games anyway. Elsa had very reasonable control of her powers, even more control than one would expect a child to have, if you ask me. The accident that led to this whole mess happened exactly as worded; it was an accident. It was no one’s fault Elsa hit Anna in the head, she was trying to stop Anna’s fall and misaimed her ice. Children are allowed to make mistakes. Adults make mistakes. 

      But then instead of, I don’t know, the parents giving Elsa a quick little tip on how to time her ice blasts or requiring the children have adult supervision around instead of sneaking around the palace at night to play games like they were initially doing (that was honestly the real danger; they were doing this without an adult presence nearby), they take Anna to the trolls and the trolls instill a fear in Elsa that didn’t exist before. What the hell logic is that? If a child plays baseball, takes a swing, accidentally lets go of the bat and inertia causes the bat to hit someone in the face, you teach them to get a better grip on the bat and how to let it go properly after the swing, not tell them never to play baseball and sports in general ever again and making them feel like a failure.

      So that mess happens, and Elsa has less control of her powers as an adult than she did as a child! If she were unconsciously freezing things through her gloves during her coronation ceremony, then her own clothes should have frozen solid just from her skin being in contact with it. She wouldn’t be able to take baths because the water would freeze before she even got in (or while she was getting in, that’d be fun! /sarcasm). Eating would be a pain since the utensils would freeze over, and reading would be impossible because the pages would be too hard to turn or they’d stick together. She would have experienced these issues earlier, long before her parents even died or she was playing games with Anna, but she didn’t because they didn’t exist until after the troll thing. Or, I guess, the writers suck and didn’t think too much of it.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why Elsa deserve more personality than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      One of the worst issues in this movie:

      nomorefrozen:

      elliexer:

      nomorefrozen:

      frozen-sarcasm:

      youremyhiro:

      frozen-sarcasm:

      antifreezeteam:

      Anna punching Hans. If Hans punched Anna it would be “inappropiate for kids because it shows gender violence and machism” but if Anna punchs Hans it is “feminist and badass, it shows that girls don’t need a man so it’s cool”. If you didn’t know, gender violence isn’t only man mistreating women, it can be woman mistreating man. Wow oh wow! Now you know it!

      My grandmother attends violence victim in her own assoiciation and had cases of mans who were mistreated by her wifes and didn’t recieved help because people laughed at them and used gay insults against them. Womens aren’t the only.

      #white feminism

      I get what you’re both saying, but “white feminism”? That’s literally the worst label for it.

      I would call it #tumblr feminism or #hollywood feminism because all I see on Tumblr about a majority of the female characters that they love is that they put down or hurt men (this comes from Hollywood). Sometimes it’s not even men that deserve to be taken down. People love to apply the philosophy of, “If I want to show that this female is strong, then I guess I have to have her physically dominate or hurt a male.” It’s bullshit, it’s cliche and stereotypical, and, quite frankly, it’s kind of sexist. Women are strong without having to punch someone. In fact, Anna would have looked like the better person if she had said something to defend her sister. This would have made her look like a better character who didn’t stoop to Hans’ level, like the movie had her do, and it would have furthered Anna and Elsa’s relationship. They could have accomplished two good things at once.

      I’d like to point out that there’s another terrible way to make female characters feminist: It’s putting down the male characters, turning them to stupid comic relief fillers. I’m looking at you Brave.

      While that is problematic, at least Merida herself is a well defined character with wants and flaws. Like it would have made sense if she punched Hans but it really doesn’t make sense Anna does and it’s odd that we suddenly have to cheer her on because of that action. Okay why? Yes, Hans was a douche bag but what did punching him solve? Nothing really.

      She was also out of harms way so why was punching him necessary. 

      Honestly I think the best explanation of the scene is literally this: 

      Anna is quirky. 

      That’s literally it. Like, the only reason she punched him was for some violent humor and like, did he deserve it? Yeah. Do I feel sorry for him? Not at all, he tried to have both Anna and Elsa killed, he seriously had it coming and i’m glad for it but like… it’s not there for Anna’s triumph; nor for her to close the hole in her heart he caused; it’s there to prove to the audience that she’s just as ‘quirky’ and ‘silly’ as she’s always been. She the more ‘relateable’ princess. punching hans makes her likable and relateable to little girls. Or at the very least thats what disney has discovered. 

      Disney sacrificed Anna’s character in the name of having her be quirky and cute; which is a trope i want to see fucking deleted from time and space. I am sick of quirky and awkward female character; they are the ‘sexy sultry co-lead’ o the 21st century and it needs to go immediately. 

      Hm.

      That…makes a lot of sense.

      And I’m with you on this.

      Like I have nothing wrong with quirky characters but they there has to be more too them. And I really wanted to like Anna. Like I really, really, really wanted to like her but I just can’t because she’s written to just be one-dimensional and it’s a shame. She was oozing with potential but Disney just decided to be lazy. And it seems now that the popular trope is to have these ‘quirky’ girls who had little personality and are just here to be ‘random.’

      And to be honest, I don’t think her punching Hans makes her relateable at all. To me it makes her a bit brash and childish. And that’s not a good thing.

      Wow, these are really good points.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why Elsa deserve more personality than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      More big bolder Elsa and less scared, baby Elsa

      More developed Anna and less underdeveloped Anna

      Anna's personality being a less of a carbon copy, cut, a paste of of Rapunzel's (Tangled).

      The writers adding anything else

      More progressive Anna and less retrogressive Anna

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      It’s telling of how fed-up people are becoming with the princesses.

      But when you think about it, what are the things you can think of for the princesses that beat them?

      Ariel: she wanted to learn and was one of the first “progressive” Disney princesses

      Jasmine: she wanted to be married for love, and not forced into marriage.

      Pocahontas: she stopped a whole damn war.

      Merida: she was a badass who didn’t want to get married at all.

      Rapunzel: she was strong and she worked hard to achieve her dreams and she cared so much about others.

      Tiana: she is a hard -working woman who started her own independent business.

      Belle: she sacrificed her life for her father, she was strong and stood up to the Beast when he was being awful, she only started to be interested in him when he stopped being a dick, and she saw through his looks to see his real personality. She stood up to Gaston.

      Mulan: sHE FUCKING SAVED CHINA. SHE BLEW UP A MOUNTAIN.

      Now:

      Elsa: she has… ice powers… she… did things that weren’t shown onscreen… she sang a song…?

      Anna: she didn’t get married to a man she just met after she wanted to marry a man she just met before she started dating a man she just met….? Oh, and she sacrificed her life for her sister even though there was barely any relationship developed enough to care.

      … Yeah, that’s why they’re low on both. They’re not distinguishable.

      I blame the writing for that.

      While Anna gets off better than Elsa, we don’t know a lot about these girls. Hardly any time is spent on Elsa. We see some semblance of personality after Let It Go but after that, we never see any of that again. It’s frustrating because I was hoping for more big, bold Elsa but instead we get scared, baby Elsa.

      Anna does have a bit of personality but like I’ve said, she doesn’t fair any better than Elsa. All we get is quirky from Anna. That’s it.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      Now Frozen, that’s what I can see OP getting at more. The whole movie is packed with songs, and it seems like they focused more on that than actual character development. Do You Wanna Build A Snowman? is the entirity of Anna and Elsa growing up, and while it shows that yes, Anna is awkward, it shows nothing else about her because of the weird time skips. What does she do for fun? Does she have any hobbies? Any friends inside the castle? What’s her favorite painting, what does she like to learn, does she have any passions at all besides romance? These are all unanswered questions that are pushed aside so they can add more songs. And throughout the movie, Anna basically only learns that Hans isn’t her true love. She still goes with Kristoff in a forced-written and quick relationship after knowing him for only a day, she never learns to respect Elsa’s space or not to be so recklessly impulsive. She doesn’t learn anything or change. And Elsa, we never get to know besides her scene at the party, Let It Go, her song with Anna, and a few shots of her in the castle being stressed. What’s supposed to be a full, developed character is just a pretty, bland shell with a mental illness that people can project themselves onto. The movie should have had less songs and more actual character growth and development.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      Gabby: I’d assign Anna the powers of fire because her sister has ice powers so.. it makes sense? Kinda? No..

      Jen: Snow White, the power to not eat poisonous fruit. I would also give Elsa the power of character depth

      Jonna: Give Anna the power of a Khaleesi (but Jen has a good point about Elsa).

      It’s gotten to the point where I want to unfollow this blog. All you guys do is hate on Frozen. We get it. You all think the movie was shit. You think they’re boring characters. Elsa has no personality and blah blah waaah waah waah. People asking you a question about *any* princess and you take a stab at Frozen. It’s immature.

      ^^^what this person said^^^

      Actually I like frozen a lot, don’t put words in my mouth. Hating on frozen is not all we do- in fact we’ve rarely commented on it recently. Also I never said any of the characters were boring. Don’t pull shit out of your ass. If it’s gotten the point that you wanna unfollow us, go ahead, because apparently you can’t handle slivers of frozen criticism . I can’t remember the last time i commented about frozen.- which I like, by the way.

      I don’t hate frozen, there are some things I love about it (the music, the fact that it takes place where I come from, Anna’s character, Kristoff’s personality). And I don’t hate Elsa, it’s kinda hard to hate someone that doesn’t make much of an impression on you. I do hate how they portray depression/anxiety through her though, especially how she ends up curing it in the end of the movie. I won’t go too much into it, because I’m just about to go to bed, but basically, Elsa did nothing to conquer her anxiety, and the only reason she is happy by the end of the movie is because Anna’s love just magically cured it. That’s not how it works, take it from someone who goes through it every day. And that is something I hate. But Elsa? No. Love her in Let it Go and her design, but other than that she leaves no impression on me.

      /Jonna (who is the other mod…)

      As someone who also has depression and anxiety, THIS THIS THIS. They should have never even tried to represent depression or anxiety in the first place if they were going to handle it so horribly. I feel bad for any children with anxiety or depression (or who have parents struggling with them) who watched this movie and afterwards might be wondering if no one loves them enough/they don’t love their parents enough to fix them.

      But then on the other hand, my therapist who has seen Frozen many times (thanks to her children) said she didn’t see how Elsa could represent depression or anxiety. My therapist, who specializes in these disorders, doesn’t even see them in Elsa because the portrayal was so bad. So maybe the kids will be fine after all. Idk

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why was it hard to like, tolerate and sympathize with Anna so far anyway 13 months ago

      See, she’s what you WANT to see. She’s the “Everygirl” or “Everywoman”, like a cheesy version of Bella Swan.

        HOW? Because, like Bella, Anna couldn’t really exist on her own. If Bella didn’t have Edward, she wouldn’t really have a life. What does she like to do? What aspirations does she have? What will make her happy? 

        Anna is happy, and fun, and is almost a personification of summer … but she’s not organic. How would she be if she didn’t have a sister? Does she do anything besides sing, talk to portraits, or build snowmen? (She said something about riding her bike around the halls.) 

        But, Anna had around 10 years to not associate with her sister! Did she learn a hobby? Did she learn about being a ruler? Did she horseback ride with her father? 

        The cool thing about Rapunzel is that we saw what she did for 18 years. She sang a song about it! She became skilled in everything she could learn. And she got bored, but she had a goal, a dream!

        All we know is that Anna she has little to no skill. She hasn’t tried to escape for all ten years, and didn’t do anything for three years, besides wait for the coronation. 

       BUT, “She’s incredibly adorable! She’s has so much girl-power! She punched that stupid Han’s in the face! She loves her sister sooooo much! Oh my gosh, I wanna build a snowman! She’s so Adorable. She also wakes up like me! And eats chocolate like Me!

                             SHE’S JUST LIKE ME!!!”

      Well, that’s exactly the problem. A real, organic character should be barely similar to the audience in most cases. This is because the writers need to punch, and break, and abuse the character without hurting the audience’s feelings. 

         Because the character abuse will shape the character in the end. And only after the movie ends should the audience, as a whole, should say “Oh, I understand that totally.”

        Example: Monster’s University. I’m personally not a green or blue scare student. I am a college student, but I don’t even have Frats or Sororities at my school… BUT, I do know how it feels to try so hard at something, and still fail while others don’t try and have it naturally. And this is a painful subject, and I suddenly empathize with the characters and not only sympathize. 

        But Frozen, I had everything in common with Anna, yet nothing. Because Anna likes chocolate, like me, wakes up ugly, like me, would die for her sister, like I would, but what else?

        Funny thing is, I know so many people just like Anna, that have so little in common with the movie. One of my friends literally says “Wait, what?” in a lot of her conversations. And she cutely uses the word “Awkward” at perfect moments. 

        But she has something so much deeper that Anna doesn’t have. She has talents. She has big fears and little fears. she has Big dreams, and whims. She became a vegetarian. She’s an artist. She has a few siblings, and has a troubled past. 

        But Anna. Anna is what we want to be. Sure, she has isolation problems. But we treat her character flaws of insta-forgiveness to be a virtue instead of bad-writing.

      * And I know what people will say. They will say I have a frozen heart, and would defend Anna and stuff. But, they think they’re defending Anna, they’re really defending themselves. Because when they say Anna’s perfect, they’re saying all the relatable things they find in Anna are fine within themselves.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      What i mean: It's a film that, essentially suffers from an existential crisis throughout the entire two hours it runs. There's no world building whatsoever, leaving too many unanswered questions the audience in regards to the magic and lore of the land. It's inferred the trolls know everything there is to know about magic, but it does not explain how Elsa recieved her powers in the first place, leaving a pretty big unanswered question. Also, the decision to take a fantasy race usually isolated from magicks as the main sage magicians was an ...interesting choice, and would have worked out a bit better if the world was built up more. The plot is all over the place, with there being no clear antagonist until the final arc of the movie. Is the Duke of Weaselton supposed to be the antagonist? No, and he honestly doesn't even belong in the movie: in what way does this character move forward the plot? He doesn't, so why is he given such emphasis? Is Elsa supposed to be the antagonist? Through the film the audience is constantly being given conflicting views as to whether or not we are supposed to sympathsize with her or hate her, and we're never given our answer until the final arc of the movie, which is, ironically, when the real antagonist show his face: Hans. Since he is introduced as he antagonist in the final arc, it makes Hans' development as a villain feel rushed and unnatural. Such a sudden heel-face turn from charming benevolent prince to cold-blooded killer feels wrong, and considering there was no foreshadowing or dramatic irony leading up the reveal, it comes as a shock to even the most watchful moviegoers. Beyond the shock response, there is no reason for the audience to hate Hans, making him an ineffective villain all in all. The audience only hates him because he betrayed the trust that was willingly given in the first half of the film. Yes, he wants to usurp the throne and kill everyone off, but wouldn't that incentive be more effective if it were presented as such from the beginning of the movie? Give the viewers hints and clues that he is not what he seems, making the reveal of his plan much more suspenseful. Additionally, if it were addressed from the beginning, a large amount of the aimless plotless wandering that plagued most of the first three-quarters of the movie would be practically non-existant. In addition, the shock factor response wears off eventually; the impact of his betrayal means less and less to the audience each time they watch it. Part of the reason of the weakness and confusion in the beginning also stems from the fact that the movie is trying to juggle too many characters. Many named characters are completely unneeded and did not need to steal screentime (and by extension, valuble character development) from the main characters (Anna, Elsa, Kristoff, and I guess Hans). And the lack of character development is bad. Really bad. Anna doesn't feel like a real person, even by Disney standards. Elsa is a bit more believable, but her "development" is rushed and inferred instead of shown to the audience as it should be. Why was there such an emphasis on the parents in the beginning if they were only going to be killed off for plot fuel? And as an audience member, I did not feel any sadness for their death or for how Anna and Elsa were grieving. Having Elsa locked in her room for upmost of ten years was just...weird. There was absolutely nothing that justified it, making the isolation feel like a cheap way out for the writers to transition from childhood to adulthood. And beyond that, Arendelle is shown to be a peaceful kingdom, so it makes no sense that Anna would not be allowed to leave the castle and walk amongst the city. If magic exists in this world, why was Elsa locked away? Why was it a secret? All of these questions stem from weak worldbuilding that justifies very little of the events of the movie. There are so many unanswered questions that rise up from what happens inbetween childhood and adulthood. Is there a puppet monarch? Was magic seen as something negative or unknown? Why the trolls. Why the trolls. I'm sorry I just do not understand the trolls. The romantic subplot again ties into making the trolls feel even more forced and unneeded and the Hans reveal stale, I don't need to go into this. From a technically standpoint, the animation is subpar compared to its contempararies. Rise of the Guardians, a movie made a year before Frozen, had better ice effects. The particle effects and textures were nothing to write home about and the numerous clipping issues are clear evidence that the final product was rushed. The character design is the biggest complaint everyone has heard the most, but, Jesus Christ, oh my god it's bad. There's virtually no variation in character design. The facial structure of all the women are practically identical. Elsa, Anna, their mother, even Rapunzel all look 100% identical. Perhaps that wouldn't be such a problem if their body types were the same as well. There's no power of silouette in the film, something that is absolutely crucial to animated film, making Anna and Elsa blend together not only in the film, but in the industry itself. They do not stand out. They are blank and bland. The music is the only good thing, and that's only considering some songs. "Let it Go" and "First Time in Forever" are strong, powerhouse showtunes that actually move the plot forward, as songs in a musical should, but "Fixer-Upper" and "Love is an Open Door," while good, solid songs, do relatively nothing for the plot can could be omitted without sacrificing anything. "In Summer" is a total joke song that literally fades into nothing--I could not recall the tune if I tried, and "Do You Wanna Build a Snowman?" has a lot of potential but is, esentially, the same chorus repeated with little to no transition three times. It doesn't help that the song is also the most awkward contrived timeskip in the history of awkward contrived timeskips, again because it is never explained why Elsa is locked in her room at all. And the trolls and the--oh god. Please, all artists and writers, do NOT overlook the importance of worldbuilding. Even the dialogue is mediocre and does nothing to immerse the characters into the world around them. The resulting product is nothing but two hours of mediocrity masquerading as the best film of the decade in commercialization and ticket sales, but ultimately does nothing but leave a bad taste in the audience's mouth and will encourage Disney to continue making mediocre movies because they know they will sell and sell well.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      He looked at her, kind of impressed that she was jumping like that, because it was a risk of hurting herself. Maybe he was moved that she trusted him already so soon after they fought and talked about stranger danger.

      When he sees someone in danger, I think it’s common sense to run over and check if they are okay, keep closer together and back off from more danger. If you only do this to people you’re crushing on, no, sorry, are in TRUE LOVE with, then damn, I’ve been doing it wrong for years.

      I admit, at this point I was more confused why the Trolland was not being frozen over (possibly magic, but like a lot in this movie, they don’t tell), but I feel it was at this point something was fishy. Still, so he tries to be nice and caring to her without knowing how and why. He has openly admitted that he does not like humans, Anna might be the first one he has spent longer than an hour with, I think it’s not strange that he would be awkward and unsure what to do when someone they know and care for is in distress.

      These are all small hints, I think, and do not say anything about him actually falling in TRUE love with her. If the movie had dropped the TRUE LOVE red herring (which, let’s be honest, was completely unnecessary if you knew how much the movie advertised it was about sisterhood and Olaf) and just had at the end of the day, Kristoff realizes that he wants to kiss Anna, and Anna realizes that she wants to kiss him too, and they kiss in consent, that would be okay. Because then the point with Anna/Hans was that they rushed too much too fast (because apparently marrying fellow royalty you don’t really know (for power) at the age of 18 was not acceptable in 1800’s Norway…), instead of just getting together when that feels right and take it from there. Because I’ve seen people getting into relationships quicker and for smaller reasons than Anna/Kristoff, so then I might have believed it.

      But then suddenly the movie EXPLICITLY TELLS US that these two are in ***TRUE LOVE*** and keeps pushing it and expecting it to be so. Just like Anna did with Hans. But you know, Anna is dumb and naive and doesn’t know a thing, we should trust the TROLLS (who have, mythologically speaking, seldom been up to anything good) and the movie when THEY say that it’s true love.

      I think my main quip with the Anna/Kristoff pairing is that, for all the movie’s attempts at ridiculing Anna for believing Anna/Hans is true love after a day, they’re suddenly expecting us to believe that *Anna/Kristoff* is true love after one AND A HALF day. They still go “this is TRUE LOVE!” at both, like it is supposed to mean something in the end.

      If they had dropped the True Love part of their relationship, I might have believed them more. But the problem is that the movie tells us that you can’t have true love after a day, but then suddenly tells us to forget that because this is TOTALY DIFFERENT, even if it really isn’t.

      I have to say that, though I get everything you’re saying and agree that it can be viewed this way, I just didn’t see it that way when watching the movie.

      I see two alternative scenarios:

      1) The trolls are magical and can know when it’s meant to be, so they knew it about them. ( “love experts” and whatever)

      2) Everyone in the movie jumps to this conclusion, Olaf, Anna, maybe even Kristoff (though it can be interpreted that he just came back because he cared about her, not because he thought it was true love, and just hoped that perhaps he can save her) but in the end, Anna goes to save Elsa, making THEIRS the true love. Leaving the possibility that if she had went for Kristoff instead, it WOULDN’T have thawed her heart. 

      And it’s only later on that they even kiss at all! Who even knows how much time has passed? This means that they weren’t even a couple yet when she gives him the sled, they were just friends until that moment when he said he wanted to kiss her.

      So they didn’t get married, they didn’t kiss after one day, everyone around them was always thinking ‘romantic true love’ ‘must be a guy’ ‘it ain’t Hans so it must be Kristoff’ but those were the CHARACTERS being narrow minded. In the end, what actually HAPPENED was true love between the sisters which is in itself problematic because technically why the hell does Anna even like Elsa after shutting her out all those years, and what a dumb fucking premise, their parents were idiots. But that’s another matter entirely.

      That last stroked part made me laugh! XD Yes, the movie has more problems than just this, but for the sake of the current argument, I chose to ignore them. :P

      1) Then I wish they had made it clear in some way that they can see it. The love experts thing for me seemed like just a joke, so I never took it seriously, and the way they just went “oooh, a girl, Kristoff brought a girl, when’re they getting married?!” also made me discredit them of any credibility. At least have their eyes glow for a second or whatever to show something supernatural about their knowledge, don’t just decide it and expect me to believe it. Freaking Hotel Transylvania had a supernatural explanation to make us believe these two brats belonged together. Yeah, it was dumb and relatively lazy, but at least it was an in-universe legit explanation.

      2) The problem is that, like with Hans, this moment when Anna sacrifices herself is supposed to be shocking, because who she thinks is the solution is right there, and she chooses to save her sister instead. But because Kristanna was not built up to be true love, it is hard to believe (like you said, the characters jump to conclusions and we’re supposed to take their word for it; heck, at least the True Love Song in Tangled was sung by the couple itself, so that we knew THEIR feelings on the matter) and just feels like filler until we get to the point. The point isn’t so much whether it IS true love or not but that the movie expects US to believe it is.

      If they had only dropped the “true love might not be romantic!” twist, then I could have accepted the relationship more (as I said, the kissing scene works better if we ignore the True Love bit), because then the issue would not have to be about True Love as much as just the journey to affection, teenage crush and romance. In Tangled, Rapunzel and Eugene only knew each other for two days and nights, but ignoring the prologue about years before they married, they had moments when they talked and got to know each other (running from the bar, when they were about to drown, when Rapunzel heals his hand) before we got the festival sequence where we feel like there might be something in the air, and then we hear *them* sing about their love for each other. And the issue was NEVER about True Love, so their only job was to convince us that they were enough in love to sacrifice themselves for each other.

      Frozen, on the other hand, tells me that Anna is dumb for believing in True Love after only a day of singing and talking, not only by having Elsa tell her so, but ALSO Kristoff. Then when they get to trolland, the movie tells me to ignore that, because THIS is True Love after one and a half day of traveling and arguing together. And we are told this in a song performed by trolls that completely ignore the couple’s own feelings in the issue. So when Anna is told that Kristoff loves her, how am I supposed to genuinely hope this will work and not consider it filler?

      A problem the movie has is that it tries to bring this big shocking climax to the movie; that Anna throws the (not likely) chance of saving herself to save her sister, proving that GASP!!!, true love is not necessarily romantic and could mean familial love as well!!!! Who would have thought a movie advertised as being about sisterhood and a snowman would have sisterhood and snowman save the day?! That’s Academy Award writing, right there.

      I’m sorry, I’m being too subjective here. My point is, there are certain things about the move that I think are good (Elsa, impressive animation), but the development of Anna/Kristoff is not one of them for me.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      Really, the trolls should’ve been the main villian/s of Frozen. Elsa was completely fine and alright with her powers, and could control them with ease. It wasn’t until the trolls manipulated Elsa and her parents that Elsa had no control of powers, that everything went to complete shit. Not to mention traumatizing a seven year old girl ?

      The trolls where the ones who created break the evil mirror in the original story and while the mirror was originally evil, they teased and broke the mirror, affecting people, and damaging people and ruining people’s lifes.

      Trolls are tricky, sneaky and manipulative.

      It would of made so much more sense to have the Troll Elder and his troll tribe as the main villains, who want to do nothing but cause ruin and chaos, just for shits and giggles. The Elder seeing Elsa as the perfect victim to cause ruin, and maybe desiring the destruction and crumble of Arendelle and the Arendelle kingdom, just to cause misery for a good sick laugh. 

      Then the Elder saying to Elsa that she did originally know how to control her powers and be around her sister happily, and had good times with her, but her naive parents trusted him as a wise magical expert elder when he created  the evil mirror- the worlds evil- hate, jealously, anger, violence in people’s hearts. And just watches her crumble in tears, and just taking pleasure in it. Because he completely ruined Elsa’s life and her confidence to be around Anna, and use her powers without any fear. 

      But instead the trolls are badly written, copy and paste green smurfs, that sing one of the worst musical numbers in Disney history, and are bad toilet humor comic relief, that gives out terrible advice to people, and yet the movie keeps on hammering into the viewer what excellent love experts they are. Olaf did better, and he’s a three day old snowman.

      Not only that but it would make more sense for Kristoff to be with the trolls. I mean think about it: the trolls practically kidnap Kristoff. So if they were evil, it would make more sense for them to be evil. They steal a child from their home for their own selfish gain. That would be a million times more interesting and also make more sense.

      Also, there is no reason for the trolls to help the king. I mean, how do they even know he’s the king? Why are they helping him? He’s a human and they are trolls. It doesn’t make a lot of sense for these magical beings to help the king unless they get something in return.

      Honestly, the trolls are the most pointless charecters in the whole movie. They offer nothing, their personalities are terrible and their song brought the movie to a screeching halt. I mean Anna was dying! Why have some random ass song? It makes no sense!

      The more I read this, the more I like the idea of the trolls being the villains. The only one who really seemed to have any idea what he was doing was Pabbie (sp?). 

      Imagine, for instance, that when the king came to them for help, he had to do something in return. He owed them a favour, and that hung over his head for the rest of his life. I mean, how can you pay back magical creatures for helping your child? 

      That fits perfectly with the troll leader Pabbie in terms of what Frozen’s story could’ve been, forcing the king to make a deal to save Anna’s life. It would’ve alluded to how the trolls = the devil in the original Snow Queen story. The trolls had always been set up to be the ultimate villains in the source material that Frozen was supposed to be based on. Having scary manipulative trolls with dark magic that regular humans can’t defend against would’ve been more intriguing and memorable if Disney’s trolls were taken more seriously. 

      Like you could still have the manipulation masked by good intent (like Hans) yet actually have a character who plays a genuine purpose in affecting both Elsa and Anna’s entire lives instead of for only a couple of days. There would’ve been a build-up.

      The only main reason why Hans is the main villian though, is because they wanted to bash the Cinderella trope into the ground, and say to the viewers that Disney has changed and we don’t do hurricane, whirlwind love stories anymore. Basically scream it out loud, hence the scene to where Kristoff is belittling Anna’s choices to marry Hans so damn fast, when they have only known each other for a few hours. While it’s a good thing and message for Disney to do, that quick marriages when you are basically marrying a stranger can become very dangerous, the heart was never in the right place. Hans was just a plot-twist to surprise the audience. Hans was just used, so Disney could scream out to everybody watching ” We don’t do that anymore, we are 2013 ” ! And to surprise people near the end of the film. The Duke was supposed to be Regent Louie, yes the person who ruled the kingdom when the parents died, answering so many storyline confusions, though because Disney wanted to basically say ” We are cool now ” ! Louie became a red herring, for Hans, and Hans the navy officer became a written dumb mess,

      They could’ve worked on making the story make sense and follow well, with something like the creepy demon trolls, but they didn’t, unfortunately. Disney would rather try and look deep and impress and break Disney tropes, that doesn’t even exist. The only princesses to have a quick marriage are Cinderella, Ariel and Aurora. Aurora was a forced royal engagement. .

      Hans was better being that dorky, but serious when things got serious character IMHO.. 

      I heard that Hans was originally supposed to get cursed in the heart by Elsa. Though the trolls cursing him, and using his rough childhood and family neglect to control him, so their Kristoff their spy, could get closer to Anna, could of been great. Fixer Upper could’ve been their manipulation and villian song, just change a few lines and the remove the cheerful tune of the song. Though instead of Anna falling into Kristoff’s arms like a typical cliche romance, Kristoff stands up to them and stops their bs. Redeeming and saving Anna, and going back to save Elsa and Hans from them. Showing more character development for Kristoff than just ” I caught you from falling and I love you now ” ! Showing and explaining Hans’ backstory and childhood to the audience,  and them heading back to the the troll tribe doesn’t feel like a huge waste. 

      I just feel like if they changed the villian from Hans to the trolls, they could of fixed so many flaws with the movie.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      I hate it too. Honestly I hate it when anyone puts down any of the princesses to build up the any of the others. What’s the point? They all have strengths and weaknesses, including Elsa and Anna. Not having or needing a man does not automatically make one a feminist/feminist icon. Elsa’s story had nothing to do with needing a man, so it doesn’t make sense to praise her in this way.  Merida and Tiana are much better feminist icons in this sense. Merida refused to give up her freedom for a marriage she wasn’t ready for nor wanted and Tiana, though she did end up with Naveen in the end, wasn’t even concerned with guys until the end when she realized she loved him; otherwise, she just wanted her restaurant.

      About Ariel, I think the reason she gets so much shit is because it’s really easy to see her story as “I gave up my voice for a man” when in reality, I don’t think that’s the case. 

      A lot of people seem to forget that Ariel didn’t start off wanting Eric. Like you said, she already stated that she wanted to walk among humans in “Part of Your World” before she first saw him. I think it’s entirely plausible that she might have gone to find a way to become a human even if she hadn’t seen him at all.

      Notice that most of the time Ariel was human, she was fascinated by all the human things and activities, and not just Eric. From what I remember, nothing romantic even happened until “Kiss the Girl”. 

      One last important thing is that the movie’s primary relationship is between Ariel and Triton. Remember how the last line the movie is “I love you, Daddy”? Not to mention his angry outburst in the grotto is in my opinion what really drives Ariel to Ursula. It’s only when her spirit is broken by her father that she goes with Flotsam and Jetsam to the witch’s lair. And once she’s there, she still thinks about how she’ll never see her family again (and, logically, never be reconciled with her father) if she becomes human. So it’s not like Eric was always at the forefront of Ariel’s mind anyway.

      Here’s an interesting little post comparing the feminist-friendliness of Frozen and TLM.

      It’s really sexist when people put down the other princesses, saying that Elsa is feminist solely because she didn’t have a men. Not only does that idea make no sense but Elsa never looked for love nor does her story arc revolve around that. They also seem to forget that Elsa runs away from her problems and after Let It Go, she doesn’t do anything of merit. 

      Elsa has the chance to be a feminist character but her potential was squandered. She does nothing and offers us nothing. Ariel, while having problems, managed to save her man twice and also was one of the first Disney princesses to go after something. And as stated, there is nothing wrong with having a man because that doesn’t make you less feminist. That idea is extremely backwards and just down right stupid. It´s the easiest way out to make Elsa a feminist icon when in the end, she is just a coward with an undeveloped story. She never truly did anything by herself. Secured by her parents from young age for being extraordinary and having supernatural powers, she was protected from harm there but she also never learned to to control her powers, hence, her father literally said “Conceal it” She never was allowed to learn to control it. And right from the beginning of the movie, after her coronation, she does nothing but run away. If you look at it in a critical way, Elsa promotes “Oh, you have problems with other people? They misunderstand you? No prob, just run away and don´t give two fucks about those you left behind”. Hence, even when Anna showed up in her self-choosen ice-exile, she refused to face the problem that SHE was the cause for (namely the eternal winter in Arendelle) and rather stayed back and left Anna do deal with all of it. If Hans hadn´t dragged her ass back to Arendelle, there would be no Frozen Fever and Frozen 2 in the making, because Elsa would still hide in her ice castle and Arendelle would probably be void of life because of the cold. tbh. as a huge Disney fan and an ex Frozen-fan I have a pretty unbiased opinion but Frozen is just THAT badly developed. It had much potential and all was messed up. And truly, if anyone ever wants to see any kind of Disney movie as feminist, then pls….it´s Merida´s movie, because she right out refused to marry and Disney also refrained from introducing any love interest for her.

      You can actually see many hints of feminism in Disney movies. People just love to act like Frozen is the first movie to do anything… Because if you take away the “Frozen is the first to….” argument, there is not much good left to balance all the bad things.

      The little mermaid, as stated above by others hints feminism.

      But I also think that Belle is a feminist example. She was sick of her normal village-girl life. Compared to other women back then who were out to find a man, marry and have the man´s kids (as depicted by the three blonde Gaston fangirls), Belle was curious about books, loved to read and helped her father with his inventions, which was, as shown in the movie, was a curious and bad thing for a woman. Hello? She even sings about “wanting more than this provincial life”. But I might be biased, because Belle is a lot like me and I love Beauty and the Beast as a movie.

      I also think that side characters like Zira from Simba´s pride, hint to feminism. I mean, Zira is leading her own pride of lions as a lioness and she is, although a villain and dying at the end, depicted as a strong character. But that just might be my opinion because I have a thing for many Disney villains.

      And of course let´s not forget about Tiana. Idek when people started to think that feminism equals not needing a man. Feminism is about women being equal to men and not having less rights than them, which is perfectly shown in Princess and the frog, where Tiana, as a young girl in good old America, is working to fulfill her dream of having her own restaurant and basically she does get laughed at my men for it. You must´ve some historical knowlegde to realize how bad conditions back in Tiana´s time were. Especially for women. Especially for women of colour and then you realize what a hero Tiana is.

      But of course the white haired coward who draws away from her duties as a queen, endangering her whole land with her uncontrolled powers is the best example for being a feminist, for getting through depression and shit. Seriously. NO.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      One thing that kind of threw me off in Frozen was Olaf. There was so much potential for him to be more than a comical relief side-kick, especially considering what he symbolized. Another thing that threw me off was how Anna never got upset of frustrated with her sister, and never doubted this “sisterly” thing that she wanted so much. I find it hard to believe that Anna’s love never faltered. I have this alternate plot in my head, where after Elsa froze Anna’s heart, Anna starts talking to Olaf about why Elsa shut her out again, and then, as she is looking at Olaf, Anna’s memories of Elsa hurting her when they were children are triggered, and Anna realizes why Elsa shut her out. She sympathizes for her sister, but at the same time, it pains Anna to know that Elsa has hurt her before, and she begins to question if the relationship she wants with Elsa is even worth it, if all Elsa is going to do is hurt her.  After Hans leaves Anna to kill Elsa, Anna thinks about Elsa again, and realizes that unconditional love includes forgiveness, and forgiveness is what drives her to save her sister. Not only does Anna at least deal with some kind of internal struggle, but Olaf is a bit more…”useful” in the plot. Sorry, this was kind of long. I have a lot more alternate plot ideas, but I don’t want to clog things up for you. :)

      Another thing is how does Olaf understand love?

      Olaf hasn’t been alive for more than a day but he has a concept of summer, time and love? That makes no sense.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      Elsa had control over her powers. She hit Anna in the head on accident but not because she lost control.

      The trolls terrifying a little girl (and her parents) and telling her to get control of her magic when she already had, was not only terrible advice, it was pointless terrible advice.

      Elsa was feeling guilty over harming Anna. The trolls added to this by putting the idea in her head that she had no control over her powers and that people would hurt her if she didn’t get it under wraps, and I’m supposed to believe these trolls are wise?

      Most people tend to heap the blame on Elsa’s parents, and sure, their misguided attempts to help her were more harmful than good but the trolls made no effort to reassure them and their “advice” was little more than scare tactics.

      Also there is little or no justification for the parents’ fear of Elsa’s powers. Sure it’s ice magic and ice can seriously hurt if not kill but if this is a world where magic users (and magic creatures) exist, why is Elsa’s magic such a horrible thing to have?

      Are magic users shunned in this world? If so why? Did a powerful magic user once dominate the world with their magic and since their defeat others with magic are feared? Did a magic user in Arendelle’s history do something horrible and as such magic in general became feared? Why?

      I really don’t give a shit about supposed analogies to real world problems such as depression or anxiety. This stuff exists in a context. If you can’t come up with in universe explanations to give your movie it’s own internal logical consistency, then it’s not going to make any fucking sense. Real world analogies are not a goddamn substitute for shitty world building.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      I hate how people make excuses for Disney but the one that bothers me the most is this.

      “But it’s historically accurate! They can’t have POC!”

      NO!

      Okay, first of all do you see this outfit Elsa is wearing?

      This dress is like a designer couture dress! Are you trying to tell me that this dress would fly back in the 1800’s? I highly doubt it!

      While Denmark was mostly white, there is historical evidence that proves that there were in fact black people in Denmark back in the day. Not only that but Kay from the fairy tale was described has having dark skin. And I quote: “She pushed one of the red leaves aside, and saw a little brown neck. Oh, that must be Kay!”

      The same for the little robber girl, an important female character that is left out of the movie. Again, I quote: “The little robber-girl was about the same size as Gerda, but stronger; she had broader shoulders and a darker skin; her eyes were quite black, and she had a mournful look. She clasped little Gerda round the waist, and said,—”

      Also, Disney has never cared about historical accuracy ever. Did you guys forget Pocahontas? Disney changed her history and age just so they could make her have a hot, steamy romance with John Smith and also so they could make the white men look like the good guys. For real, you’re going to try to tell me that Disney suddenly cares about historically accuracy?

      And like I have stated countless times, Arendelle is not a real place. It’s a fictional land that is filled with trolls and a woman with white hair who has ice powers. Do not tell me that POC would have been too hard to add.

      Now please stop using the argument of historical accuracy because when you do, you are derailing the topic at hand.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      What Frozen taught us:

      ozziescribbler:

      ▪ Wiping a kid’s memory of a life-altering accident is totally a right thing to do! Why would you want a child to learn from their experience anyway?

      ▪ Locking away your other traumatized child and hoping she gets better by herself is totally not parental abuse.

      ▪ An orphan kid can hang around people with dangerous job unsupervised.

      ▪ When said kid wanders off and goes missing, no-one has to look for them. 

      ▪ If you have no friends and no interests beyond harassing your sister, you’re gonna grow up fine, just a little bit awkward and adorably quirky.

      ▪ A kingdom with underage successors to the throne governs itself, unless the plot says otherwise.

      ▪ Regency is not a thing.

      ▪ The last heir left in line to the throne is totally free to leave the kingdom and personally look for their runaway older sibling instead of staying home and securing the royal line.

      ▪ Said last successor to the crown can somehow leave the kingdom in hands of a random foreigner guy.

      ▪ Regency is still not a thing.

      ▪ Running away from your royal responsibilities makes you cool and inspiring, as long as you sing a song about it.

      ▪ Ice-control powers can create life from scratch.

      ▪ If your son brings a woman home for the first time, you force her on him as a potential wife.

      ▪ Forcing them on each other is prior even to saving said woman from dying right in front of you.

      ▪ It doesn’t matter what either or them thinks about it and if she has a different partner already.

      ▪ You can be a day-old magical snowman who doesn’t know what heat is, but you have better understanding of love than grown-up humans.

      ▪ When a random foreigner guy says the last successor to the throne has died and left the kingdom to him, it is not necessary to check the corpse and require any evidence from him.

      ▪ Regency is STILL not a thing.

      ▪ Vaguely-defined “love” instantly cures life-long depression and anxiety.

      Feel free to add o the list!

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      If anybody and anybody else has the right to feel isolated, it's Rapunzel, screw Anna but Elsa would've been better off being taken away from Aren-delle back then before in the movie, Frozen. The Nordic king would've been there to kidnap Elsa for her ice powers

      Less poorly structured

      More answered questions

      Elsa's character being less horribly written and less rushed in the movie, Frozen.

      Elsa's character being more likable than ever

      Less bland, less overcooked excuse of a movie

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      Less Lame Elsa

      Less Bland Elsa

      Less Boring Elsa

      Elsa's depression being shown in the movie, Frozen

      Not bringing shame into the original fairytale story of The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen

      The Real Snow Queen adaption

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      Frozen being less of the weakest of the Disney Renaissance movie.

      I wish Anna was portrayed to be less isolated back then before in the movie, Frozen if only anybody was there to take Elsa away from Aren-delle, especially from her. That way. Neither Anna nor Elsa would have to be stuck living nor isolated in the same isolation in the kingdom of Aren-delle with each other at all.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      Frozen being less of a wasted potential

      Great concept not being taken

      More developed characters and less underdeveloped characters

      Designs being less lazy

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      Watch the entire “Let It Go” scene from Frozen featuring Idina Menzel performing as Elsa.

      If you don’t wanna go see Frozen, this is the best 3:39 of the movie (except the short that plays beforehand). What a jam.

      goosebumps every time!

      Oh god Sarah you are so right

      This character is basically Elphaba and Let it Go = No Good Deed

      Biggest difference? Idina’s voice does not match this character or it’s expressions.

      A voice so strong was not meant for a character so cotton candy soft. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DIDN’T MAKE HER EMOTIONAL RANGE LARGE ENOUGH TO MATCH THE INTENSITY OF THE MUSIC??? The song is good, yeah. But the energy in the scene from this character design makes me cringe. It’s fucking Rapunzel trying to sing a song from Wicked fucking fuck what.

      This was really lazy, Disney.

      Elsa is an Elphaba copy

      Elsaba

      i think the big problem with the emotional range is the fact that they literally went out of their way to not make her face contort with the emotional waves of the song, because they wanted to make her stay “pretty”. if you watch Idina Menzel sing, well, pretty much anything, but especially her songs from Wicked, she is EMOTING. she is earnestly performing ev-ry sing-le syll-a-ble. she’s not “attractive” when she does it, but that doesn’t matter, because you’re not looking at her for her face, you’re looking for the feeling.

      if you watch the video, the song kills, but the disconnect comes from the fact that elsa isn’t emoting. and this goes right along with all the problems of the production. it’s quite obvious the animators don’t care enough, because you have this intense song being sung by this powerhouse of a performer, and they aren’t trying to make the match; it’s all halfhearted.

      and elsa, if you ask me, is a poor-man’s elphaba, because she’s not emoting. when i listen to wicked, i respond, because i hear the emotions and i remember seeing how it was performed; i cried during defying gravity because of the performance. when i watch elsa, i can see menzel in my mind’s eye performing it in the recording booth, and the difference between the two is jarring.

      toni is always better at saying what I want to say so reblogging again

      and you know what? It’s sad when the most emotional part of the song happens when you can’t see the character’s face:

      THAT STOMP WAS THE MOST EXCITING PART OF THE WHOLE SCENE WHEN THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN:

      SHE IS LIFTING A GODDAMN SHOW PALACE

      THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FUCKING COOL

      LOOK AT HER. AND LISTEN TO THE MUSIC. AND CRINGE AT THE UNCOMFORTABLE DISPLACEMENT OF IT ALL WITH ME

      “when i watch elsa, i can see menzel in my mind’s eye performing it in the recording booth, and the difference between the two is jarring.”

      Y E S

      ((also this was the only song scene in the movie that actually made me feel anything….and now that I see it out of context it’s really mediocre, but compared to everything else, it was amazing and I called it “phenomenal” in my liveblog @_@))

      The last shot is particularly guilty. Her weird bedroom eyed sexy face seemed kinda outta place.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      Lol that’s kinda a loaded question. It’s like asking ‘why isn’t obama white?’. 

      The real question is “why is frozen feminist?” Because honestly, what do people see in this movie that could possibly dub it as feminist? 

      Frozen doesn’t do anything we haven’t seen before, and even then it does everything horribly. Portrayal of mental illness is weak. Elsa is the least empowering character I can think of. Anna isn’t strong or brave like the fandom claims. The only thing that might be considered feminist is the fact Kristoff asked for consent before kissing Anna. But I take that seriously considering he was a sexist pig for the majority of the film. 

      Everything about this movie reeks of faux/radical feminism. Much like Legend of Korra. 

      I would recommend feministdisney’s attitude of refusing to call a whole movie “feminist”. A movie can have feminist elements, but as a whole it’s better to call it “feminist-friendly”. The adjective “feminist” refers more to a person’s attitude and views more than anything else; so it shouldn’t be applied to a complex work of art that is a movie. Art itself does not have opinions, after all, the artists do.

      Back on the subject though, even if we rephrase the question into “Is Frozen feminist-friendly?”, the answer would AT BEST be “It’s feminist-neutral”. Cause for every potentially progressive aspect, there’s at least one other that is problematic:

      ▪ pro: Gave us two female protagonists.

      ▪ con: Scrapped tons of female characters that were in the original story. There are no other significant female characters in the whole movie other than Elsa and Anna.

      ▪ pro: Story about sisters.

      ▪ con: Sisterhood is handled very poorly. We are given no reason to believe those two still love each other after years of separation.

      ▪ pro: Passes the Bechdel test.

      ▪ con: Any female character with a line who isn’t Anna or Elsa does not pass (and there are like two minor female characters… with one or two lines of dialogue each).

      ▪ pro: Plot hints on the issues of the mentally ill.

      ▪ con: Is super disrespectful about that, cures Elsa of all of her problems with no effort at the end.

      ▪ pro: Subverts the love at first sight trope.

      ▪ con: Only to make Anna end up with another dude she just met.

      ▪ pro: Kristoff asks Anna before kissing her.

      ▪ con: He’s a total asshole to her throughout most of the story.

      ▪ pro: Elsa has no love interest or romance plot.

      ▪ con: Elsa is easily the most one-dimensional character in the whole cast, more of a walking plot device than a well-rounded person.

      And so on and so forth… To summarize, depending on who you ask, Frozen should either count as no more feminist than any other contemporary Disney princess story or just not feminist at all.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why Elsa deserve more screen time, more scenes, bigger roles and appearances in the movie, Frozen so far anyway 13 months ago

      “ Frozen’s a children’s animated movie, so it doesn’t matter if there’s plot-holes and things, I mean kids just love bright flashy lights and pretty dresses and speaking snowmen, they don’t need anything deep, complexed or intelligent !   ”

        “ Hans fans are sick and disturbing people and they need help, same with the anti-frozen people. Twisted people. * Sends Anon Hate *  ”

      “ It’s perfectly fine and alright that Elsa’s depression was cured out of thin air, I mean it’s a children’s movie !  ”

      “ If you don’t love Frozen there’s something wrong with you, and you are being terrible towards children. They love this movie. How dare you.  ”

      “ Walt’s Original Three are idiotic, useless, and stupid girls with no strength and no personality and they just need a man to save them.  ”

      “ Elsa is a strong feminist character and a strong lead female because she has no man. I mean with you have a relationship with a man, everybody knows that makes you a disgrace to female rights and you are completely weak. Elsa’s not that !  ”

      “ Elsa was locked in her room for most of her life, which is symbolism for being gay, Elsa is Disney’s first lesbian Disney Princess ! Good job Disney, I see what you did there  ” !

      “ Anna’s better than all the other disney princesses because she wants more than just a man, all of the other princesses just wanted a man. Gross.  ”

      “ Fixer- Upper is a cute, adorable song, when will people stop hating on it ? It’s 2015. It’s just a cute song about family and how nobody’s perfect and really, it’s about Elsa, it’s not really about pushing Anna with a stranger and forcing her to marry him. Plus it’s a joke ? Get over it.”  

      “ Elsa didn’t mean to murder the duke’s guards ! That was just self-defense !  ” 

          “ There’s nothing wrong with Kristoff belittling Anna and treating her like she’s brainless because she doesn’t have the outside, mountain climbing knowledge that he does. There’s nothing wrong with Kristoff treating her like Anna’s a lesser human being. REAL couples bicker and fight ! REAL couples argue. It just makes their relationship REAL !   ”

      ‘ You don’t like Elsa, well there must be something wrong with you. You need to see a therapist.  ”

      “ Anti- Frozen people are just a bunch of idiotic sjws who complain at anything, I bet you anything that they even think that the sky is sexist because it’s blue. They’re also a bunch of Disney haters who think that the company is demonic, and kiss up to Dreamworks and believe that Dreamworks does nothing wrong, lol.  ”

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      Anything and anything else would 13 months ago

      I think the problem is that Disney just doesn't seem to realize they're their own worst enemy. What is going to happen when Frozen is no longer popular?

      They will just make another safe movie with catchy OST & sparkly animation then milk the shit out of it.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      U yo ok real talk, another thing that annoys me about the parents that noone talk about: the fact that they know about elsa's powers (they show 0 surprise at it and when asked they say she was born with it) yet they do nothing? they just fart about waiting for someone to get hurt so they can do something instead of, oh i don't know, teacher her as she's growing up to control it? like that's what any decent parent would do w/ a kid who has a disability as the movie likes to portray it as.

      The parents in the original Frozen plot aka the evil Elsa ver are great parents & they take good care of Elsa. But Disney wants to turn Elsa to a poor/innocent/misunderstood girl who suffers from “mental illness” so…  

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      The snow queen in “barbie and the pink shoes” is a better and more accuarate snow queen than Elsa.

      I’m not even exaggerating look

      and the worst part is that this movie isn’t even based on the story of The Snow Queen and IT STILL HAS A BETTER SNOW QUEEN THAN ELSA, WHO WAS IN A MOVIE THATS SUPPOSED TO BE AN ADAPTATION OF THE FUCKING STORY

      The worst part? in a point of her development, Elsa was going to be The Snow Queen instead:

      And dang, even when she wasn’t going to be The Snow Queen, just Elsa, she looked one hundred times more accurate:

      And it pisses me off how they leaved such a great project and gave us the piece of shit that Frozen is now.

      Again, never going to get over this.

      We could have had such a fantastic movie but we got Rapunzel on Ice

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      I think it’s simply because he tricked us. Gaston and Frollo may as well have had neon signs over their heads saying VILLAIN from the moment they showed up onscreen. But Hans…he didn’t just woo Anna. He wooed the audience. And that made it painfully real. Because everyone has known someone who wasn’t as kind as they initially believed. So many people have had Hanses of their own, and they compare Hans to the person who hurt them. And seeing someone sympathize with the one who hurt you is just painful. So, seeing people loving Hans probably makes them feel like they’re praising their abusers. I doubt a lot of people have met someone like Gaston and Frollo. What they forget is that Hans isn’t a real person, and that he never hurt them. He’s fictional, and far worse villains have existed, and had larger fanbases (Loki, anyone?) Hans is simply a victim of being a painfully real villain in a fictional world where villains are supposed to be obvious and over-the-top. His lack of obvious evilness makes him seem more evil than even the most murderous villains, at least in some people’s minds.

      That’s probably it but it still doesn’t warrant the harassment fans of Hans get. It’s downright disgusting.

      You can say that again…

      Never have words been more true about a fandom

      As someone who is no longer in the Frozen fandom, there are times where I want to go back but I can’t because of the harassment the fandom keeps on perpetuating. I also don’t blame the Hans fandom for breaking off and making their own fandom.

      That’s because Hans wants to kill people’s precious Elsa.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      Frozen being more progressive than ever just like The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why any other movies deserve to be tied with Frozen so far anyway 13 months ago

      I mean, I’m all for people finding inspiration where they can, but it’s very telling how much energy Disney Fandom/Frozen Fandom/Disney themselves put into spinning Elsa and Anna’s narrative into something it honestly wasn’t when the original Snow Queen tale is at least a thousand times more progressive for women and was written centuries ago. Think about that for a moment. They took the original story, full of strong female characters and people of color, watered it down, and then were able to get people to believe that it’s so progressive and so feminist (debatable at best, depending on your definition of the term) they give it credit for things other films within the same company and franchise have already done, and better.

      Meanwhile, characters like Merida, Tiana, Mulan, and Jasmine exist, telling stories MUCH more progressive in terms of roles and rights for women, on autonomy and self-definition.

      It’s just really transparent why this particular film seems to reach certain people when others don’t. An aside; this is one of my biggest issues with Tangled as well.

      -Ren

      At best, Frozen is feminist-friendly.

      -pink

      People think Elsa is the most feminist Disney female character because she has god-like power & she doesn’t have a man.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why any other movies deserve to be tied with Frozen so far anyway 13 months ago

      I mean, I’m all for people finding inspiration where they can, but it’s very telling how much energy Disney Fandom/Frozen Fandom/Disney themselves put into spinning Elsa and Anna’s narrative into something it honestly wasn’t when the original Snow Queen tale is at least a thousand times more progressive for women and was written centuries ago. Think about that for a moment. They took the original story, full of strong female characters and people of color, watered it down, and then were able to get people to believe that it’s so progressive and so feminist (debatable at best, depending on your definition of the term) they give it credit for things other films within the same company and franchise have already done, and better.

      Meanwhile, characters like Merida, Tiana, Mulan, and Jasmine exist, telling stories MUCH more progressive in terms of roles and rights for women, on autonomy and self-definition.

      It’s just really transparent why this particular film seems to reach certain people when others don’t. An aside; this is one of my biggest issues with Tangled as well.

      -Ren

      At best, Frozen is feminist-friendly.

      -pink

      People think Elsa is the most feminist Disney female character because she has god-like power & she doesn’t have a man.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why Elsa deserve more screen time, more scenes, bigger roles and appearances in the movie, Frozen so far anyway 13 months ago

      Why do I get the feeling that people is going to constantly going to compare Moana to Elsa? God forbid she get’s a love interest and the millions of posts about how Moana is a “set back” just because she haves a boyfriend or whatever. I really hope Moana stands on her own and not be compared to a bland character.  

      She could also be perfectly strong with a love interest, but from the sound of the story she doesn’t get one anyway.

      Well, at least that means she won’t be negatively compared to Elsa because “Elsa doesn’t need a man”. 

      Elsa never sought out a man and marriage was never apart of her story so I don’t understand why so many fans make a big deal about that

      Elsa fans can’t tell the difference between “doesn’t have a man” & “doesn’t need a man”.

      What’s funny is that when they compare anyone to Elsa, they prove that they have no clue what even is a Disney cliche and what’s not. Frozen falls right into it the same way ever other movie has. 

      Who doesn’t have a love interest in Frozen? Elsa.

      Who also doesn’t have that much screentime in the film despite being prominent in posters and promotional artwork? Elsa.

      Who is the antagonist of the film? Elsa. 

      At no point do I recall any Disney film making their antagonist part of a couple. At most, they have someone they pursue, but their status as adversaries to the plot make that love unattainable. They’re single until they’re sufficiently rehabilitated, usually in the next film and even then it’s to a different character than the one they were following. Unless the antagonist/villain died, which still proves the point that they’re too bad to be loved.

      To compare, who does have a love interest in Frozen? Anna. (She has two! And they’re both the guys with a lot of screentime!)

      Who has the most screentime? Anna.

      Who is the protagonist of the film? Anna.

      As we know, the main girl always gets the main guy. This is typical Disney. Frozen subverts nothing about that. 

      It’s ironic that everyone seems to forget that Anna is really the main focus on the movie and she is the one who almost marries Hans after knowing for a day. When Hans asked her to marry him, she said yes in a heartbeat and then gets all confused when Elsa says no to the marriage.

      Honestly, do people forget that the reason Frozen happens is because of this trope?!

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      Honestly, I would LOVE for the creators to explain how Elsa even has ice powers in the first place. It felt very unrealistic without any sort of explanation to why and how she can make magic with ice. It made absolutely no sense to me like at all. I think they could've had a part at the beginning or somewhere in the middle that shows how she got them, but no. Somehow they're just there and it feels strange.

      I know my friend, Disney could have made The Frozen Heart be the song explains about Elsa’s ice power instead of a song about cutting ice.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why was it hard to like, tolerate and sympathize with Anna so far anyway 13 months ago

      U Like the other anon said in the parody, Anna does have the IQ of a cow. I hate her. She acts like a frigging diphthong most of the movie, and honestly I was so happy when she froze. I laughed a little.

      Anna did lots of stupid thing in the movie but she at least has a character & she saved her sister, I don’t hate Anna but I don’t feel sorry for her when she’s dead, maybe because I knew she would come back alive or I just have a Frozen Heart *evil laugh*.

      BTW, I’m tired of the “quirky, clumsy=cute” type of Disney princesses, even Elsa’s quirky in the Frozen Fever short, i know she’s drunk, but COME ON!. I hope our next princess-Moana would escape from this character trope.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why any other movies deserve to be tied with Frozen so far anyway 13 months ago

      “Anna’s clumsiness, awkwardness, and honesty.”

      Yeah, four words: Manic Pixie Dream Girl

      Seriously. All Disney’s done is trade one limiting trope for another.

      Also, “until Brave, the idea of an outspoken princess is unheard of.” Really??? How about Belle from Beauty and the Beast, who managed to be outspoken and didn’t sound like an idiot half the time while doing it?

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why any other movies deserve to be tied with Frozen so far anyway 13 months ago

      Olaf has more merch than Tiana does but Tiana needs more merchandise too.

      Olaf has 35 pieces of merchandise. Tiana only has 7 pieces but she needs more merchandise. 

      That’s right. The fucking stupid snowman from Frozen who isn’t even the main focus has more merch than the first African-American princess.  Now someone explain to me how is this fair?

      And let me tell you its really freaking hard to find Tiana merchandise. It’s like searching for a needle in a haystack.  No, it’s not that. It’s like you’ve laid in a haystack field and you don’t know which haystack you have to search through for your needle. It’s that hard.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      “I suffer from depression so you think I’d find strength in Elsa. Nope. I didn’t relate to Elsa at all. Not only did her behavior annoy me but I hate how she just gets better because of love. That is not how depression works!”

      Love worked for Elsa, it might not work for you or some other people but it worked for her.

      You do not get rid of depression because you love someone. That doesn’t work. Ever. Depression doesn’t just disappear because someone loves you.

      Elsa is a fictional cartoon so “it worked for her” doesn’t make any sense.

      Telling people that love fixes depression is a dangerous message, not just for people with depression but for those that love them.  If you love someone with depression you can support them but you can’t fix them.  It’s setting people up for failure and guilt and self blame.

      That wasn’t the point. The point was that Elsa’s condition was worsened by the fact that she had no support and felt compelled to shut herself away from everyone close to her, that she had to hide herself away to protect everyone. She’s not “fixed” at the end because of love (She’s not “fixed” at all, she still has the ice powers.), she feels less lost and alone because her sister is now there supporting and loving her and she’s able to open up to her. And the support and love you get from someone close to you can have a huge impact on how someone reacts to their illness.

      I suffer from anxiety and one of the worst parts of it is the feeling that I had to hide it from those closest to me because otherwise I’d be hurting them and the pain that comes from the lack of support. I really connected with Elsa because I connected with that aspect of her character and it made me feel better about who I was and how I shouldn’t have to hide myself away from those I love because if they really loved me they would support me, not berate me. This doesn’t mean that you have to connect with her and take comfort in the story, but don’t completely negate the people that did just because you didn’t. Especially when you’re presenting the story entirely differently from what was intended/what others got out of it. 

      My argument isn’t against Elsa, it was about the comment “Love worked for Elsa, it might not work for you or some other people but it worked for her.”  It was about someone simplifying it down to that.

      Yes, a support system totally helps.  Knowing people love you can totally help.  But depression, anxiety, bipolar, etc are illnesses.  Love helps people who have cancer and diabetes too.  But it doesn’t cure depression and it doesn’t cure cancer.

      I’m not saying no one should identify with Elsa.  Of course people do.  No one should be disparaged for it, just like there’s nothing wrong with not identifying with her.  I thought I would connect more, going into the movie with the knowledge I had.  I found that I didn’t like it at all, but that is me.  It’s also why I make sure to tag anti Frozen so that people who love it or connect to it don’t have to see my comments.

      I don’t know how much of your comments are at me and how much are at the OP, but I wasn’t talking about the movie as a whole, only the person’s comments that upset me.

      It upsets me too when people argue that Belle is obligated to stay with Rum to ‘fix him’ and in any situation where love is talked about as being a cure for mental illness.  I feel like it perpetuates the idea that depression and other mental disorders aren’t ‘real’ and that if you try hard enough, just get off the couch, love enough, etc you are ‘cured.’

      I’m glad Elsa was shown as opening herself up to love (that was always there for her.) I would have liked the movie a lot more if it was only about the sibling’s relationship because the introduction of what’s his face and the reindeer and that romance made me stop caring about the movie.  I totally understand people identifying with Elsa.  And I understand people who don’t.  I was only saying that love isn’t a cure.

      This still really surprises me because we’ve seen nothing but people praising them time and time again. I guess they’re not as popular as I thought.

      Can I just say that is good Gif usage. Just saying.

      But yea kind of a shocker that they only got 3% that is like wow low. Maybe people have moved on.

      I think so.

      It’s been two years and I think a lot of people are realizing that Anna and Elsa aren’t all that developed. I mean I know some people who like Anna but realize she has some issues and I see more people starting to fall out of love with these two.

      I think that means maybe possibly Disney will get a hint and make more developed and memorable princesses next time.

      Here’s the thing though.

      The people who are responsible for Elsa and Anna’s lack of character development? That lies squarely with Jennifer Lee. While Disney is guilty of milking this movie for all it’s worth, it’s Lee’s fault for not giving Anna or Elsa any depth. The movie is 102 minutes long, there is no excuse for Elsa to be as flat as she is and for Anna to only be ‘quirky.’ 

      All the blame goes to Jennifer Lee. It’s fault these two are so bland.

      The blame also goes to their fandom. TBH, I won’t hate Elsa as much if her fandom isn’t so terrible.

      Sometimes, I wonder: how could Anna be isolated in the castle for all her life, with the only person to talk with being her sister who shuts her out, and only be "just a little quirky and adorkable"? Realistically, she would develop severe social anxiety and would also have some isolation issues. (I know from experience.)

      That’s an interesting point. Of course, you could say the same for Rapunzel. They were in the same type of situation, but neither of them turned out to be anything more than, like you said, quirky and adorkable.

      What I really don’t understand is why Anna didn’t talk to the servants or play with their kids (all those servants, some of them have to have kids). Is she just that obsessive over her sister? Does she consider it beneath her to casually associate with the castle staff??

      Yeah, I don’t know. The whole Anna-can’t-go-outside-the-castle-either situation just makes zero sense.

      Another quick question: why doesn’t Anna stay in Arendelle?

      It’s her home, I get that but it seems like up until the events of Frozen, she had nothing keeping her there. Her sister ignored her and her parents were obviously abusive so why did she never try to leave?

      Another question: Why doesn’t Anna try to make any friend? 

      Anna has tons of maids while Cinderella & Rapunzel doesn’t have anyone & they befriend with animals.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever and even Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far anyway 13 months ago

      The plot is a fucking mess. There’s nothing but loopholes all over the place and it’s such a hackjob. It’s even more rushed than Tangled. At least Tangled had a more concrete theme and shit (dreams). I never understand what the theme is with Frozen.

      For starters: the parents are fucking assholes. They didn’t listen to the trolls by helping Elsa control her powers. hey did nothing but help spurn on the fear. And isolating her like a fucking diseased or dangerous animal? WOW WHAT GREEEEAT PARENTING. Not to mention, WHY separate Anna and Elsa? WHY FUCKING KEEP ANNA LOCKED UP TOO? HOW THE HELL DID ELSA GET TRAINED TO BECOME QUEEN?

      I don’t feel the sisterly connection between Elsanna after the opening scene. Ever. If you have the Blu-Ray or have looked online, you know that they cut out a scene of Elsa and Anna interacting before the coronation, picking out their dresses. We NEED that. I need to know what their relationship is NOW. Not just when they were little girls. It’s TOO BIG of a fucking gap. I watched the little introduction from Jennifer Lee and the other director and they said that they cut it because they “needed to stay separated until the coronation ball”? UM, REALLY BITCHES? REALLY? THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU?

      How the fuck did Elsa get her powers? What are the limits of them? What are the risks? How the hell does she create sentient creatures (Olaf and Marshmallow)? How the hell does she make a dress out of ice crystals without it melting away because of, I DUNNO, BODY HEAT? How the HELL does she build an ICE CASTLE without ever indicating that she’s studied architecture?

      I. Hate. Anna. She. Is. A. Shitty. Character. OH WOW, AWKWARD TURTLE. OMG. “I’M SO ORDINARY“ JFC, shut up! I could go on and on about how fucking annoying this girl is and it’s hard to say everything without live-blogging the movie - I’ll do that at some point I think - but the writers try so hard to make her seem like your every day average girl that it just falls flat. Not to mention, how does she go from wanting to just meet people and talk to her sister again during For the First Time in Forever to wanting to meet “the one” in less than a verse? Bitch, you’ve never even interacted with people who aren’t your parents or servants for over 12-13 years. Calm your tits and get some social skills first. The only thing I like about her is her perseverance and her big heart. That’s it.

      I ship Hanna, but Hans is a horrible excuse of a villain/antagonist. He has NO clear motive in the beginning. I’m sorry, but a good fairy tale always spells out the villain/antagonist within the earlier moments of the movie (check every single Disney movie aside from like Winnie the Pooh; Gaston and Radcliffe are better fucking villains JFC). And the “SURPRISE” moment is just really badly played out. Why the hell was he put in charge and why did people believe Anna’s word? She’s only  the princess. Where’s the person who ran Arendelle in the three years between the king and queen’s death and Elsa’s coronation? Also, Hans was really fucking dumb for not just kissing Anna. That would’ve taken care of it. BOOM.

      I can’t stand Kristoff. End of. All he ever does is belittle Anna (my mom literally just watched the sleigh ride scene and it’s so disgusting how much he’s judging her for her quick engagement with Hans, it’s worse than Robert’s opinion of Giselle and Edward in Enchanted) and push his way into her personal space. I don’t care for the Sven voice shit, but I like Sven enough. Although this “huge animal acting like a dog” trope needs to fucking go. I don’t believe in their love story. I could deal with them being friends, even an Elsa/Kristoff bromance would’ve been cute, but nah.

      Olaf, although really fun and has the best lines in the movie, he comes in more than 30 minutes later. There were TOO many characters coming in at shitty points. Yeah, the girls made a regular snow Olaf in the beginning, but that doesn’t count. And he doesn’t feel like a good representation of Elsa and Anna’s love for each other as the fandom tries to pass him off as.

      Elsa, Elsa, Elsa. Okay, I’m a fan of her. And I totally get that she’s an empty character as well as a total self-insert character. I accept that and accept that I’m a fan. But I’m sorry, when a character’s only traits are that “she has depression, she has anxiety” then you’ve got problems. What did she do besides have woe is me moments in her room and let her fear overpower her? Why does she look exactly like Anna? She should look much more sunken in around her eyes and her body shape and such should reflect her isolation. I mean, she only ever interacted with her parents and maybe one or two servants. And let’s not forget the fact that she fucking RUNS AWAY the night of her coronation and sings a song about telling everyone fuck you, I’m free. Um, no you ain’t. How you gonna eat? Where you gonna sleep and stay warm (you’re a mammal bitch, you need warmth in the cold)? You fucking covered your own kingdom in a blanket of snow. And when your sister tried to talk shit out with you - let’s also talk about how HORRIBLE and ANNOYING that reprise is, I skip it EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. GDI - you shoot her with ice then you throw her out of her home with a large ice monster meant to basically kill her.

      Wow. You’re basically the kind of person who, in this day and age, would kill your sibling and then get pegged as a misunderstood girl by the newscasters. It’s fucking messed up.

      The trolls and their song was pointless. Absolutely pointless. “Marry this boy because your cute and we think he’s perfect but he’s actually an asshole!” is basically the premise. What even?

      I really don’t understand why Hans took twenty years to slice Elsa in half. Kill her you dumbass and become king by force like you want?

      Again with Anna, when she’s trying to get the ice out of her heart and dethaw, all she ever thinks about is “true love’s kiss”. If you’re supposed to be all about your sister even after getting shut out, whyyyyyyyy the fuck are you worried about these two annoying ass boys (cause they ain’t men)? GO FIND YOUR SISTER. STAND BY HER. STOP WORRYING ABOUT A POINTLESS KISS. “Kristoff loves me?” is all she can say. “I have to get Hans to kiss me!” is all she can say. JFC thirsty fucking bitch.

      That climax is literally one of the most unsatisfying things I’ve EVER watched in a Disney movie.Sit me through Sword in the Stone, Jungle Book, or Pinocchio (all among my least favorite Disney “classics”) 10 times each before making me suffer through that climax. It’s like one second, Anna sacrifices herself, Elsa’s crying over her frozen body, and then all of a sudden she dethaws and Elsa’s like “love” and the eternal winter is gone. What the fuck? Elsa just literally frozen her sister’s heart and sent a huge ass creature after her like, 15-20 minutes ago. NOW YOU UNDERSTAND LOVE? No build up. The epilogue was just as bad. Not to mention, where was her new dress? Anna got one, Kristoff got a new outfit, where was Elsa’s new dress to reflect her change? Cause that’s a big change. Nope. Nothing.

      And in terms of the music, I sing along with them, but a lot of them are just so lackluster. I mean, rock on Bobby Lopez for being the first man of color to win the EGOT and thanks Frozen for finally getting Disney the Best animated Feature Oscar, but you were a horrible movie and I want the Tangled frenzy back. I like Tangled in spite of my ex ruining it for me. At least that movie is a hell of a lot more concrete.

      Let’s not even go into how fucked up and annoying as fuck the fandom is. Let us nooooooot.

      Any more questions? I could go on with my Frozen rants for daaaaaaaaays. I hate it way more than I like/tolerate it and that’s saying something.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why Elsa deserve more screen time, more scenes, bigger roles and appearances in the movie, Frozen so far anyway 13 months ago

      Elsa. Face it, without her, this movie would have been a complete failure. Could you imagine a movie with just Anna, Kristoff, and Hans? Just thinking about it makes me want to laugh and projectile vomit all at once. Remove Elsa from this story, and you are left with the most boring, one-dimensional characters ever. What’s funny is that despite how the movie’s success hinges almost entirely on Elsa’s existence and conflicts, the movie treats her like a secondary character and instead devotes most of its runtime to the less interesting Anna and her shitty shoed-in romance plot.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why was it hard to like, tolerate and sympathize with Anna so far anyway 13 months ago

      Anna is just….annoying. Why is she quirky and upbeat? Wouldn’t being separated from her sister and other children make her anti social? And why doesn’t she have any friends? If the servants were allowed in the castle, they’ve gotta have at least a few kids. But a little off topic.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far and Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far also too as well 13 months ago

      King Olaf, Queen Astrid, King Harald, King Magnus, Queen Daphne and Queen Sonja (Once Upon A Time) being inspired by Kai's Grandmother (The original fairytale story, The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen) in the movie, Frozen.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far and Once Upon A Time a better show than ever so far also too as well 13 months ago

      Aw man, ever since Elsa's a female Kai herself who's also inspired by the original, titular unnamed/nameless snow queen too, Elsa should've been under the Nordic king's spell in the movie, Frozen back then before, not Anna in the show, Once Upon A Time. Elsa also should've been kidnapped by the Nordic king himself by being taken away from Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen back then before. The Nordic king himself from an old Norse legend called The Trolden Glass even would've been there to adopt Elsa as his daughter in the movie, Frozen ever since his real own daughter's tragic death but he even would've been there to make Elsa forget all about Anna and their parents in the movie, Frozen back then before. He also would've been there to manipulate Elsa back then before in the movie, Frozen.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever 13 months ago

      Less Cowardly Elsa

      Less Overrated Elsa (But she's still the reason I love Frozen though)

      Norse mythical tale of The Trolden Glass, in which a king crafted a mirror for his daughter’s upcoming birthday so she could see her own beautiful reflection. Tragically, the girl dies before receiving the gift and thus the mirror begins reflecting the king’s sadness and pain. Deciding that the kingdom should suffer as he is, the king masters dark magic and casts the spell of shattered sight on his kingdom. Influenced by the spell, people begin to see the worst in their loved ones and turn on each other, destroying themselves…

      “It’s about a norse king who had a beautiful daughter he loved dearly. He wanted his daughter to be able to see the beauty he saw in her, so he had a mirror made for her birthday. But the day before it, she died, so instead of reflecting her beauty, it reflected the ugliness of his pain and sorrow. He was so devastated, he decided his kingdom should share his pain. So he spent years harnessing dark magic, used it on the mirror, and cast a spell over his entire kingdom. It made his subjects see only the worst in the ones they loved. And they turned on each other, destroying themselves.”

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 13 months ago

      Frozen being more original and being less twisted to the original fairytale story of The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen

      Less crybaby Anna

      No annoying songs (especially not Do You Wanna Build A Snowman nor even Let it Go)

      Elsa being under the Nordic king's (The Trolden Glass the mythical tale) spell (Just like the original male lead character, Kai was under the snow queen's spell)

      Elsa being kidnapped by the Nordic king (The Trolden Glass the mythical tale) (Just like the original male lead character, Kai was kidnapped by the snow queen.)

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why Ingrid and Helga (Once Upon A Time) should've also been in the movie, Frozen back then before so far anyway too 13 months ago

      Dearest darling daughters,

      you need to know the truth about

      why we went to this voyage.

      It wasn't what we told you.

      I wish we could be telling you

      in person but alas that does not

      appear possible. Elsa, Anna, time is running out. I do

      not know if your father and I

      will ever get back to you

      but I need you to know we

      were so wrong. We were wrong to

      tell Elsa to conceal her powers.

      You must know this. I feel terrible.

      This happened before and I

      cannot let it happen again.

      Years ago I made the same

      mistake with my sister Ingrid.

      She like you had ice powers.

      I never told you about my

      sisters Helga and Ingrid. They

      were beautiful and kind and

      Ingrid they they were beautiful [sic]

      and kind and wonderful and I[sic]

      was fearful and I let that fear

      guide me. I made the mistake

      of letting Ingrid hide when we

      should have celebrated her for

      how she was. I loved her so much.

      In this crystal are the memory

      of my sisters which I stole from

      the people of Arendelle.

      Please return them. My sisters

      deserve to be known. In a

      cave in the north valley, you will

      find an urn that contains my

      sister Ingrid. Please do what I

      should have done years ago and

      release her. She deserves to

      be remembered and more

      importantly like you, Elsa and

      Anna, she deserves to be loved.

      When you see her, please tell her

      I love her and that I am sorry. Tell

      her I would give anything to take

      back what I did, to hold hands with

      her just one more time.

      All my love, mama.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 13 months ago

      The Spell of Shattered Sight is a powerful curse that, when cast, will make people see the worst in their loved ones and turn against each other.

      Don't get me wrong, the composite character of Kai and the original, titular snow queen herself, Elsa's still the reason I love Frozen but man, Elsa should've been placed under the spell in the movie, Frozen back then before at the beginning of the movie, Frozen just like the original male lead character of the The Snow Queen, Kai was. Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) should've been in the movie, Frozen too back then before, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time. She would've been released by anybody and anybody else in the movie, Frozen or the show, Once Upon A Time back then before. She also would've been told by anybody and anybody else about Elsa also having cool ice powers in movie, Frozen or the show, Once Upon A Time during Elsa's childbirth back then before. Furthermore, Ingrid would've came to take Elsa with her away from from Aren-delle, especially her mother, Gerda (Once Upon A Time) in the movie, Frozen or the show, Once Upon A Time ever since they equally have cool ice powers so far.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a Disney 13 months ago

      The Spell of Shattered Sight is a powerful curse that, when cast, will make people see the worst in their loved ones and turn against each other.

      Don't get me wrong, the composite character of Kai and the original, titular snow queen herself, Elsa's still the reason I love Frozen but man, Elsa should've been placed under the spell in the movie, Frozen back then before at the beginning of the movie, Frozen just like the original male lead character of the The Snow Queen, Kai was. Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) should've been in the movie, Frozen too back then before, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time. She would've been released by anybody and anybody else in the movie, Frozen or the show, Once Upon A Time back then before. She also would've been told by anybody and anybody else about Elsa also having cool ice powers in movie, Frozen or the show, Once Upon A Time during Elsa's childbirth back then before. Furthermore, Ingrid would've came to take Elsa with her away from from Aren-delle, especially her mother, Gerda (Once Upon A Time) in the movie, Frozen or the show, Once Upon A Time ever since they equally have cool ice powers so far.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why Frozen should've more like the original snow queen back then before 13 months ago

      Her ice magic abilities are far much stronger and more powerfully effective than her eldest niece, Elsa's are, and is far more experienced; capable of using them more freely without her negative feelings of fright, hopelessness, and anxiety holding her back. No offenses nor no other offenses to Ingrid nor anything nor anything else but it ain't fair to poor Elsa being portrayed as inferior to Ingrid, is it? Nope. However, I still wish Ingrid was in the movie, Frozen back then before, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time. I just wish she was there to meet her niece, Elsa during Elsa's childbirth in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time but I also wish she was there to rasie Elsa in the kingdom of Aren-delle or better yet, in the ice palace/kingdom/castle in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time and I especially wish she was there to train Elsa how to control her ice powers so Elsa wouldn't have any trouble nor any other trouble controlling her powers at all in the movie, Frozen. I mostly wish she was the real snow queen of Arendelle in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before. I wish she was there to give Elsa any comfort, any other comfort, any guidance, any other guidance, any affection and any other affection in the movie, Frozen back then before. I wish Ingrid was there for Elsa in the movie, Frozen back then before so Elsa wouldn't ever even be lonely nor alone nor isolated at all.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why Frozen should've more like the original snow queen back then before 13 months ago

      Even though Ingrid is an inspiration for the real antagonistic original, titular main snow queen herself. Even though Ingrid is Disney's true titular character adaptation of the original Snow Queen fairytale character ever since Elsa's different so Elsa's an entirely separate character so she's rather a female Kai herself who's inspired by Kai the original male lead character and the original, titular main antagonist of The Snow Queen fairytale by Hans Christian Andersen but I'm glad Elsa wasn't portrayed as a villain though.  Even though Ingrid was most likely inspired by the Snow Queen; the titular character and main antagonist of The Snow Queen fairytale by Hans Christian Anderson. The Nordic King himself from The Trolden Glass the mythical tale would've been inspired by the original, titular main antagonist of The Snow Queen fairytale in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before besides only just Ingrid, especially as the main true antagonist of the movie, Frozen instead of Prince Hans of the Southern Isles himself. He would've been there to cast a spell on Ingrid and Elsa themselves only just to turn them against their normal, muggle, ordinary sisters, even Helga, especially Gerda and mostly Anna too in the movie, Frozen back then before but he also would've been there to kidnap Ingrid and Elsa for their ice powers by stealing Ingrid and Elsa away from Aren-delle only just to adopt them as his daughters ever since after his own real daughter's tragic death back then before in the movie, Frozen. Futhermore, he especially would've been there to treat them like his daughters all because of his own real daughter's tragic death. Besides, he mostly would've been there to raise Ingrid and Elsa in the movie, Frozen back then before. He even would've been there to make Ingrid and Elsa forget all about their normal, muggle, ordinary sisters, even Helga, especially Gerda and Anna too mostly in the movie, Frozen back then before. His wife the Nordic queen and his daughter the Nordic princess from The Trolden Glass would've been in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before, not only just being mentioned in the show, Once Upon A Time. He even would've been there to manipulate Ingrid and Elsa in the movie, Frozen back then before. The origins of Ingrid's alongside Elsa's powers would've been revealed in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far 13 months ago

      The Nordic king, the Nordic queen and the Nordic princess (The Trolden Glas the mythical tale) being in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time.

      The Nordic king as the main true villainous, antagonistic character in the movie, Frozen.

      The Nordic king being inspired by the original, titular main snow queen herself in the movie, Frozen.

      The Nordic king casting a spell on Elsa to make her crueler, more aggressive, more violent and colder towards her family including Anna and their parents than ever in the movie, Frozen.

      The Nordic king also casting a spell on Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) to make her crueler, more aggressive, more violent and colder towards her family including Gerda and even Helga (Once Upon A Time) and their parents too in the movie, Frozen even alongside the show, Once Upon A Time

      The Nordic king kidnapping Elsa for her ice powers by taking her away from Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen.

      The Nordic king also kidnapping Ingrid for her ice powers by stealing her away from Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen.

      The Nordic king raising Elsa in his kingdom away from Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen.

      The Nordic king also raising Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) in his kingdom away from Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen.

      The Nordic king treating Elsa like his daughter ever since his own real daughter's tragic death in the movie, Frozen.

      The Nordic king also treating Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) like his other daughter too ever since his own real daughter's tragic death in the movie, Frozen even alongside the show, Once Upon A Time

      The Nordic king manipulating Elsa in the movie, Frozen.

      The Nordic king also manipulating Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) in the movie, Frozen even alongside Once Upon A Time too.

      The Nordic king making Elsa forget all about Anna and their parents in the movie, Frozen.

      The Nordic king also making Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) forget all about Gerda, even Helga and their parents in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too.

      Anna, Helga and Gerda (Once Upon A Time) going on cool rescue missions, anything and anything else to find to save their sisters, Elsa and Ingrid (Once Upon A Time) from the Nordic king himself in the movie, Frozen even alongside the show, Once Upon A Time.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why was it hard to like, tolerate, have sympathy for/sympathize with Anna so far anyway 13 months ago

      Anna is a really funny and cute Disney princess. Her lack of understanding the world can be explained by the fact that she's had practically no human interaction to be seen or heard of since she was little. Her quirks are pretty relatable and she does well being an eccentric, weird girl. Unlike Aurora, Cinderella, or any other princess we've seen sleeping, she's not a pretty sleeper. In fact she looks human. She's headstrong but not stupid and she has a great if misguided love duet. She's more relatable than Anna and her unconditional love of her sister is incredibly admirable. Aside from Elsa, she's the only new Disney princess to be featured in ABC's Once Upon a Time.

      My main problem with Anna is that, again, she's very overpromoted. Even though her character is great and she's charming, she's everywhere and on everything and therefore I'm tired of seeing her. While her naivety is understandable, it's still annoying. And I'm still confused about why Anna doesn't have friends or isn't allowed out in the world. She doesn't have supernatural powers. Considering how headstrong she is and curious about the outside world, she should have broken out of the castle at least once before her sister's inauguration day.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why the idea portrayal role of Ann and Elsa as royal sisters of Aren-delle wasn't a good idea at all but was a bad idea so far anyway 13 months ago

      You know, when I first saw the trailer, I thought Elsa was a princess and Anna was a beautiful village girl. They soon become friends until Elsa runs away and Anna meets somebody called Kristoff. That would've made the movie much better than ever.

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far anyway 3 days ago 13 months ago

      Less Abrasive Anna

      Less Selfish Anna

      Less Inconsiderate Anna

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      Anything and anything else would make Frozen a better Disney film than ever so far anyway 14 months ago

      Full fledged Horn Headed Dic-lonius Princess Anna With Vectors

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      What's it like if Princess Anna of Aren-delle was a real badass full fledge horn headed dic-lonius demon with vectors 14 months ago

      Man, Anna would've been better off with dic-lonius horns on her head, cool demon powers, especially demonic finger claws, arms/hands vectors and magenta stripes on her skin anyway, am I right or what?

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why Tangled's and Shrek's better than Frozen so far anyway 14 months ago

      Ugh. Man, I can't stand the idea of Anna and Elsa living and being isolated in the same isolation together with each other in the same royal Norwegian kingdom of Aren-delle during their forced separation/estrangement at all because the idea of Anna and Elsa living and being isolated in the same isolation together with each other in the same royal Norwegian kingdom of Aren-delle during the forced separation/estrangement ever since after the accident/incident was the most all time worst nightmare ever so far so Elsa would've been better off being locked away from Aren-delle in another kingdom wherever she could still freely use her ice magical powers, especially make herself any other friends only just to prevent her loneliness anyway just like Fiona (Shrek) was locked away in a tower from Far Far Away because of her ogre form until Shrek and Donkey freed her from the tower. It's no wonder there are reasons why the movie, Shrek's better than the movie, Frozen just like the movie, Tangled. That way, Anna would've been able to move on without Elsa to gain any other friends on her own. Anna mostly would've been the queen of Aren-delle back then before in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why I don't like the idea portrayal of Anna and Elsa as related to each other as sisters at all so far anyway 14 months ago

      Bottom line is I can't stand the idea portrayal of them as sisters at all either. I especially can't stand it when they don't get along all the time nor all the other time. They should've existed in different Disney films, not the same Disney film together at all. They also should've existed in different canon times/worlds, not the same canon time/world either. They should've been raised in different royal Norwegian kingdoms in Norway too, not the same royal Norwegian kingdom in Norway either. They should've been portrayed as unrelated to each other back then before, not related, especially not as sisters either. They should've been born into different royal Norwegian families back then before, not the same royal Norwegian biological family either. They should've been raised in different countries and even different continents, not the same country nor even the same continent either. I never ever even like the idea of Anna being friendless nor lonely nor isolated without any honest explanations nor any other honest explanations in the movie, Frozen at all. I never ever even like the idea of Elsa being lonely nor isolated in them movie, Frozen at all either so I just wish Elsa was raised in the ice palace wherever she could still do, use, play and have fun with her ice, magic/magical, powerful abilities in the movie, Frozen, especially wherever she finally could become the real badass snow queen of the ice palace and then Anna would've been the queen of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time back then too. It's no wonder I've already trust issues now all because of Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why Ingrid and Helga should've been in the movie, Frozen back then before too besides only just the show, Once Upon A Time so far anyway 14 months ago

      Ingrid should've been in the movie, Frozen too back then before, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time. She would've been in the movie, Frozen back then before like she deserves to be so far too. She would've been there for Elsa in the movie, Frozen back then before so Elsa wouldn't have to be lonely nor isolated in the movie, Frozen at all. She also would've been there to meet her own equally, empowered niece, Elsa during Elsa's childbirth in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time back then before too. She mostly would've been there to raise her niece, Elsa in the kingdom of Aren-delle or better yet in the ice palace away from Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too. She would've been there to give Elsa any guidance, any other guidance, any affection and any other affection in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time back then before too. She especially would've been there to train Elsa how to control her ice magic/magical, powerful abilities in the movie, Frozen back then before so Elsa wouldn't have to have anymore trouble nor any other more trouble controlling her abilities at all. I badly wanted to see how Ingrid trained Elsa to control her abilities when Elsa gets upset in the show, Once Upon A Time and I was so disappointed in the writers for not letting us see that. She would've been the snow queen of Aren-delle or better yet, the ice palace in the movie, Frozen even alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too instead of Gerda and even Elsa too. No offense nor no other offense to Elsa nor anything nor anything else. I'll never ever even understand why Ingrid was never ever even in the movie, Frozen back then before. Helga should've been in the movie, Frozen back then before too. Helga would've been in the movie, Frozen too back then before like she deserves to be so far, not only just the show, Once Upon A Time. Helga would've been still alive in the show, Once Upon A Time especially alongside the original movie, Frozen back then before mostly. Helga would've been there for Anna in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too so Anna wouldn't have to be lonely nor isolated at all in the movie, Frozen. Helga would've been there to meet her own niece, Anna during Anna's childbirth in the movie, Frozen too. Helga would've been there to raise Anna in the kingdom of Aren-delle in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too. I'll never ever even understand why Helga was never ever even in the movie, Frozen back then before. I'll never ever even forgive the writers of the show, Once Upon A Time for imprisoning Ingrid in the urn nor killing Helga and Ingrid off in the show, Once Upon A Time at all. I'll never ever even forgive the writers of the movie, Frozen for isolating Elsa and Anna in the movie, Frozen without anybody nor anybody else being there for Elsa nor Anna nor killing Kai and Gerda off by making Elsa nor Anna orphaned in the movie, Frozen alongside show, Once Upon A Time either. They all deserve grudges against them for that anyway. Ingrid and Helga's youngest sister, Gerda and their brother in law, Kai would've been kept alive back then before too so Elsa wouldn't have to miss the funeral service. Neither Elsa nor Anna ever even deserve to be lonely nor especially isolated in the movie, Frozen at all. Helga never ever even deserved to be killed off in the show, Once Upon A Time and neither does nor did Ingrid. Neither does Gerda. Neither does Kai. 

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why I love the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time a lot, far more than ever so far anyway 14 months ago

      Elsa's the reason I love the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time a lot, far more than ever. Poor Elsa didn't ever even get enough screen time at all in the movie, Frozen. Just because Elsa's a composite character of Kai himself and the titular original snow queen herself doesn't mean she had to get less screen time. It's no wonder there are reasons why the show, Once Upon A Time's a lot, far better than the original movie, Frozen so far. The deuteragonist, Elsa is this to Anna's protagonist in the flashbacks, just as she was in Frozen. Averted in the present day, due to the fact that Anna has disappeared until Elsa's wish to the star brings back Anna and Kristoff just as they are about to drown. In contrast to Frozen, Elsa is a bit more prominent than her sister throughout the adaptation, primarily due to the fact that Anna is missing throughout the present-day segments until the eve of the curse. In the flashbacks, however, the two share mostly equal spotlight. Ugh. Man, Elsa should've been released from the urn in Story-brooke back then before earlier than ever before the last episode of the third season of Once Upon A Time right after Ingrid frozen the whole entire kingdom of Aren-delle including Anna and Kristoff and she even just had to remove Elsa's memories before . Let's face it. Love hate relationships are permanently annoying and irritating to no end nor no other end at all. We all dislike being stuck under all the whole entire shadows and all the other whole entire shadows of all the love hate relationships and all the other love hate relationships. I just wish neither Elsa nor Anna were ever even isolated together in the kingdom of Aren-delle with each other in the movie, Frozen nor portrayed as sisters nor especially orphaned sisters back then before. I especially don't ever even like the idea of siblings being portrayed as parentless doubled orphaned siblings at all only when it comes to non stop conflicts mostly. I especially wish Elsa was isolated and protected far, farther, further away from Aren-delle, especially far, farther, further away from Anna as far as possible, lived, was raised and grew up in the royal Norwegian ice palace in the movie, Frozen instead of Aren-delle together with Anna ever since after the accident/incident. Elsa would've been better off living, being raised and growing up in the farthest, furthest, safest protective ice palace far, farther, further away from Aren-delle anyway either in Norway or far, farther, further away from Norway, especially far, farther, further away from Anna. Elsa still deserves to know about true love too though. If Elsa had been and was taken far, farther, further away from Aren-delle straight to the Norwegian wizarding world in Norway, especially in the royal Norwegian wizarding ice palace in Norway and wherever else Elsa was still able to do, use, play and have fun with her magic/magical, powerful abilities without anybody nor anybody else around accidentally getting hit by her ice abilities, especially far, farther, further away from Anna, then it would've worked better than ever back then before and then Elsa still would've been able to do, use, play and have fun with her ice magic/magical, powerful abilities without anybody nor anybody else around accidentally getting hit by her ice abilities, especially create any of her own friends and any of her own friends only just to prevent isolation, loneliness, boredom too even though she still deserves to be train on how to control her ice abilities and then Anna still would've been able go play and have fun outside only just to find any other friends, adventures, life experiences, knowledges only just to prevent isolation, loneliness and boredom back then before in the movie, Frozen too. It's actually one of our pet peeves with family movies like Frozen unfortunately. This idea that you have to love a person because they're family. No you don't! That's a bad lesson! Bad families exist and Anna just happens to be one. Man, bad families just had to exist anyway. Olaf's the other reason I love the movie, Frozen a lot, far more than ever too. Marshmallow's the other reason I love the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too. Ingrid's (Once Upon A Time) the other reason I love the show, Once Upon A Time a lot, far more than ever so far. The snow-gies are the reasons I love Frozen Fever.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time would've been better off with existent time traveling than without time traveling at all so far anyway 14 months ago

      The movie, Frozen and the show, Once Upon A Time would've been better off with time traveling than without time traveling at all. Time traveling deserves to be included in the movie, Frozen and the show, Once Upon A Time like it should've been back then before all it really deserves to be portrayed as the solution for Anna and Gerda too alongside their sisters, Elsa and Ingrid, solution to the tragedy, separation, isolation, loneliness and all the other past sisterly problems. Anna and Gerda would've been better off being portrayed as time travelers in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time and so would Elsa and Ingrid.

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      Any reasons and any other reasons why I can't nor couldn't stand the ideas nor the portrayals of Hans nor any of his twelve big older brothers as the real, true villainous, antagonistic characters in  14 months ago

      Ugh. Aw, man, I still also wanted to see the whole entire past life of Prince Hans himself and all of his twelve big older brothers in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too, especially only just to find out by knowing much more about the whole entire royal family of the Southern Isles, especially including the royal couple of the Southern Isles themselves and mostly Hans himself alongside all of the twelve princely big older brothers themselves. The truth is I don't ever even like the idea portrayal of Prince Hans as a weak villain in the movie nor the show, Once Upon A Time at all either and I never ever even did nor still never ever even do at all because those creators, especially those writers of the movie, Frozen just wanted to an excuse for by giving a reason for Elsa and Anna to become best friends again so far. They also drove a conflict that could be easily be something that would much better for the plot in general. They also gave another excuse for why there was no real, true badass villain nor no other real, true badass villain at all for seventy percent of the whole entire movie, Frozen. Prince Hans would've been better off remaining as the good guy in the movie, Frozen and in the show, Once Upon A Time too the same way all of his twelve big older brothers deserve to be portrayed as the other good guys instead of bad guys. Hans was kind and brave for crying out loud. It's no wonder there are one of the reasons why the plot twist was annoying so far. In the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time, it would've been better off if Hans was a lot, way, far more developed than ever in the movie, Frozen alongside the show, Once Upon A Time too. That also same goes for all of Hans's twelve big older brothers too. In the show, Once Upon A Time, it especially would've been better if all of Hans's twelve big older brothers were a lot, far more developed than ever too so far mostly in the show, Once Upon A Time too. It's the creators, especially the writers of the movie, Frozen and the show, Once Upon A Time who should've let, told and revealed the reasons why Hans was doing stuff in the movie, Frozen and even in the show, Once Upon A Time too back then before. The other truth is I don't ever even like the idea portrayal of any of his twelve big older brothers as the other weak villains in the show, Once Upon A Time at all either at all and I never ever even did and I still never ever even do. Neither Hans nor any of his twelve big older brothers ever even deserve to be portrayed as villains in the movie, Frozen nor in the show, Once Upon A Time either. Not even Ingrid deserves to be portrayed as the real villain either even though Ingrid's Disney's true titular character adaption of the original Snow Queen fairytale ever since Elsa's different so Elsa's an entirely separate but still Ingrid's another misunderstood but cool snow queen besides only just Elsa for a change. No offense nor no other offense to Elsa nor anything nor anything else. Ingrid still deserves to be a canon character in the movie, Frozen and so does Helga. There are the reasons why the duke of Wesel-ton was a better villain than Hans alongside all of his twelve big older brothers anyway, aren't they?